Flourocarbon Fishing Lines?

[xxjace]

Educate me on flouro lines..I have never used them before and pretty serious about trying them out..I'm a big fan of stren mono 12 lb and that's about all I use..I fish ponds about 2-3 days a week..and the lakes about once a month with a friend who has a bass boat..I use only baitcasters and all I do is bass fish...I've heard some people say they swapped over and there fishing really picked up, but I know how that goes too lol...idk I wanna know the ins and outs from people who use then and people who have used them..thanks in advance.

[LgMouthGambler]

Try some YoZuri 12#, better sensitivity and manageability. Fluoro style lines sink, and are more abrasion resistant than mono.

[11justin22]

Flouro is more sensitive than mono or copoly because it is a denser line. Slack line bites are easy to detect. Abrasion resistance is good. It supposedly has the same light refraction as water so fish can't see it as easy. The bad.... If it gets a little kink or nick anywhere it will break. Knot strength is not quite as good though I haven't had a knot break yet just the line. The line is generally pretty stiff though a good dose of kvd line treatment helps. It does stretch no matter what any one says it is just doesn't immediately come back to the original length like mono. What that changes in my opinion is that it doesn't give it the springy feel and gives it the illusion of no stretch. When fishing it feels like it doesn't stretch but I know it does.....I checked lol. I have gone to it for all my bottom baits because of the sensitivity. As long as you keep a close eye on the line for Knicks and such u won't have problems.

[xxjace]

Flouro is more sensitive than mono or copoly because it is a denser line. Slack line bites are easy to detect. Abrasion resistance is good. It supposedly has the same light refraction as water so fish can't see it as easy. The bad.... If it gets a little kink or nick anywhere it will break. Knot strength is not quite as good though I haven't had a knot break yet just the line. The line is generally pretty stiff though a good dose of kvd line treatment helps. It does stretch no matter what any one says it is just doesn't immediately come back to the original length like mono. What that changes in my opinion is that it doesn't give it the springy feel and gives it the illusion of no stretch. When fishing it feels like it doesn't stretch but I know it does.....I checked lol. I have gone to it for all my bottom baits because of the sensitivity. As long as you keep a close eye on the line for Knicks and such u won't have problems.

Flouro is more sensitive than mono or copoly because it is a denser line. Slack line bites are easy to detect. Abrasion resistance is good. It supposedly has the same light refraction as water so fish can't see it as easy. The bad.... If it gets a little kink or nick anywhere it will break. Knot strength is not quite as good though I haven't had a knot break yet just the line. The line is generally pretty stiff though a good dose of kvd line treatment helps. It does stretch no matter what any one says it is just doesn't immediately come back to the original length like mono. What that changes in my opinion is that it doesn't give it the springy feel and gives it the illusion of no stretch. When fishing it feels like it doesn't stretch but I know it does.....I checked lol. I have gone to it for all my bottom baits because of the sensitivity. As long as you keep a close eye on the line for Knicks and such u won't have problems.

Thanks I'm pretty curious myslef to try it..I may buy a small spool first and just spool one rod for now before i tear all the line off my rods..

[Jake P]

Flouro is more sensitive than mono or copoly because it is a denser line. Slack line bites are easy to detect. Abrasion resistance is good. It supposedly has the same light refraction as water so fish can't see it as easy. The bad.... If it gets a little kink or nick anywhere it will break. Knot strength is not quite as good though I haven't had a knot break yet just the line. The line is generally pretty stiff though a good dose of kvd line treatment helps. It does stretch no matter what any one says it is just doesn't immediately come back to the original length like mono. What that changes in my opinion is that it doesn't give it the springy feel and gives it the illusion of no stretch. When fishing it feels like it doesn't stretch but I know it does.....I checked lol. I have gone to it for all my bottom baits because of the sensitivity. As long as you keep a close eye on the line for Knicks and such u won't have problems.

Nailed it.

I would also suggest looking into Yo Zuri Hybrid. I feel it is a happy medium between Mono and Flouro. It is MUCH more abrasion resistance than mono, has better knot strength than Flouro and is somewhere in between as far as sensitivity and visibility. I use Yo Zuri 12# for all moving baits. 15# for flipping and pitching jigs and plastics in or near cover and brush. It really is amazing how tough this line is, and with some KVD L&L it is very manageable.

I only run 1 rod with flouro anymore and that is my Jig and T rig rod. To be honest though Im still not completely happy with Flouro for some reason and will probably end up putting 15# Yo Zuri back on.

I guess I just didnt see any significant change when I started using Flouro like I was expecting. To each his own though. Try it and see, it may help you land more fish!

As far as line recommendations here are my opinions.

Vicious- VERY stiff even with line conditioner. A little too stiff for me.

Seagur Abrazx is awesome! My favorite flouro by far.

Trilene 100% is pretty stiff as well but I like the way it handled better than Vicious.

Good luck, I hope you find the results you are looking for!

-JP

[skeletor6]

Nailed it.

I would also suggest looking into Yo Zuri Hybrid. I feel it is a happy medium between Mono and Flouro. It is MUCH more abrasion resistance than mono, has better knot strength than Flouro and is somewhere in between as far as sensitivity and visibility. I use Yo Zuri 12# for all moving baits. 15# for flipping and pitching jigs and plastics in or near cover and brush. It really is amazing how tough this line is, and with some KVD L&L it is very manageable.

I only run 1 rod with flouro anymore and that is my Jig and T rig rod. To be honest though Im still not completely happy with Flouro for some reason and will probably end up putting 15# Yo Zuri back on.

I guess I just didnt see any significant change when I started using Flouro like I was expecting. To each his own though. Try it and see, it may help you land more fish!

As far as line recommendations here are my opinions.

Vicious- VERY stiff even with line conditioner. A little too stiff for me.

Seagur Abrazx is awesome! My favorite flouro by far.

Trilene 100% is pretty stiff as well but I like the way it handled better than Vicious.

Good luck, I hope you find the results you are looking for!

-JP

I believe yo-zuri has about 2x the breaking strength as its rating. I would agree with it being the medium between fluoro and mono and also about its versatility.

To the OP, if you do get some fluoro do not get the cheap stuff otherwise you will be disappointed. Justin's post was great at pointing out the pros/cons and qualities of fluoro. Whatever you do, do not put it on your reel/rod you use for topwater because it sinks.

[fishking247]

I highly DON'T recommend it. i tried it a few times and was not happy with it all. i recommend you stay with the old school stren. why fix something if it's not broken?

and as far as people catching more fish because they use fluoro, i think it is all in their heads LOL

just my opinion

[craww]

Ive given it a fair shot (to be honest I havent tried the Ultra high end types). And the juice aint worth the squeeze for me. Tried 5-6 and it was mixed to say the least. If I found one that managed decent it stretched like a rubberband and wasnt all that sensitive. If it didnt have a ton of stretch it managed like crap. Kind of like nylon based lines but much more extreme. A few brands had the occasional unexpected break off. I love the direct connection and lack of line floating between me and a bottom contact bait, its great in current also.

At the end of the day I trust Hybrid and braid w/a leader, they work and save me $.

[Jim_M]

Spooling up a whole reel with leader material is expensive overkill IMO

Seriously a short fluoro leader with good braid has been the ticket for me.

Not fixing what aint' broke.

[WRB]

Yozoi is a hybrid copolymer line with FC outer jacket, not a true 100% FC line. Hybrids are a compromise, larger diameter than most FC or mono lines per lb test rating, about .002 oversize on average.

P-Line FluroClear is a little more expensive, softer and better casting lime, then Yozoi, IMO.

FC line doesn't absorb water, mono does and this makes casting FC line more difficult, dry line tends to backlash a lot easier than a line that wets. This means you should use a line dressing to help lubricate FC line. FC knot strength is about 75 to 80% of the line strength, the reason you see so many different knots being suggested.

Try a 100 yard spool of both 100% FC and a hybrid and decide for yourself what you prefer.

Tom

[mattk22]

I have been using Stren Florocast, and I am not impressed with it. I have been thinking about Seaguar Red Label and Sunline Super. What do you guys think of those less expensive ones versus Seaguar Invisx and Abrazx or Seaguar Shooter?

[Darren.]

Yozoi is a hybrid copolymer line with FC outer jacket, not a true 100% FC line. Hybrids are a compromise, larger diameter than most FC or mono lines per lb test rating, about .002 oversize on average.

P-Line FluroClear is a little more expensive, softer and better casting lime, then Yozoi, IMO.

Just to clarify, if you don't mind, Tom, YoZuri is a blend of FC and copoly, not a "pure" FC coating as it were, which P-Line Floroclear is. I agree that Floroclear is more manageable and I use it over YoZuri all the time. An excellent line by my experience. Nothing wrong with YoZuri, just P-Line gets my vote. And I use it for leader material, FWIW. It's a rare thing that I spool up with something other than braid now-a-days.

Although based on Yo-Zuri's picture, it is blended, but technically each blend is a coating over copoly...

Anyhow, pure FC, as stated by others, is prone to breakage if kinked. Personally, I haven't found pure FC to be anything to write home about over coated copolys.

But don't base your opinion on our opinions. If you can afford a good brand of pure FC, try it for yourself. You may fall in love and become KVD. Or you may feel it isn't worth the money over other offerings.

.02.

[BASSHUNTER1961]

Spool up with braid and be done.....

[Mike L]

I have been using Stren Florocast, and I am not impressed with it. I have been thinking about Seaguar Red Label and Sunline Super. What do you guys think of those less expensive ones versus Seaguar Invisx and Abrazx or Seaguar Shooter?

Matt

I use Invisix only for my floro presenations, 20# for flipping soft plastics and 15# for spinnerbait's and cranks.

A lot of folks on here use Abrazix but I haven't. ( Don't fish around wood or rock's much) I've also never tryed the Red label or shooter

I tryed Pline original co poly and CXX a while back but didn't those either.

The original was about 3 yrs old when i spooled it and the CXX was just too stiff for me, even after spraying L&L the night before and again the morning of.

I do plan on trying the Yo Zuri for crankin but for straight floro it's Invisix.

Mike

[pat_walker_fishing]

There are TONS of good and bad when it comes to floro.....In my opinion, its the best for bottom bouncing baits or in clear water...or when ripping traps outta grass. I use sunline and any line in that brand comes with a price!! So i always use a cheep mono backing line, and spool about 2 good cast lengths of floro. I have never really had any break offs unless i go with out re tying my baits all day....lol When i started using floro it was berkley Vanish and i had great succses with it, and you dont have to go get a loan from the bank to buy some line.....If you try it you will probibly never wanna go back..lol

[roadwarrior]

For the past two years I have been experimenting with a number of fluorocarbons.

The biggest issue is manageability. If cost is not important, Tatsu gets my vote.

Otherwise, I think Yo-Zuri Hybrid is the better choice.

[skeletor6]

I highly DON'T recommend it. i tried it a few times and was not happy with it all. i recommend you stay with the old school stren. why fix something if it's not broken?

and as far as people catching more fish because they use fluoro, i think it is all in their heads LOL

just my opinion

If you are just using old school mono than power too ya. This guy wants to know about fluorocarbon. There are advantages to using it that have been pointed out

People do catch more fish using fluoro. Try jig fishing rip rap with mono. I think you would catch more fish with an abrasive resistant fluorocarbon as opposed to your line getting cut up with mono.

The fluoro vs braid debate will never end it all comes down to preference I like both. Fluoro is a little more expensive for me and I use Daiwa Samura (great stuff), but I think that if you got a cheap rod and are trying to bottom contact fish with it. Braid would be the best choice by far IMHO.

Plus there has to be something said about all the pro's that are using fluorocarbon. Those guys know what they are doing. They use braid and mono too, but it just goes to show that fluoro does have a place and time when it should be used. I am sure they have the best access to the best line though and have a fresh spool of tatsu/shooter/toray/ or some other prototype nobody knows about. Flurocarbon is not like braid. You can't buy powerpro and be happy, you have to buy the high end fluoro's to get what you really expect.

If you can't dish out for Tatsu, why dont you give Sunline FC Sniper a try. I heard the price/performance is pretty good for that line. Yeah it's like $25, but it should give you a pretty good idea if you want to pursue further with fluoro. At worst, you could use the rest as a leader when using braid.

For the past two years I have been experimenting with a number of fluorocarbons.

The biggest issue is manageability. If cost is not important, Tatsu gets my vote.

Otherwise, I think Yo-Zuri Hybrid is the better choice.

Roadwarrior just flat out gives great advice. I will say though that with yozuri, you eigher like it or you don't. If you do like it, you are lucky! The stuff is VERY inexpensive and can be put on just about every rod. That is very convenient! RW, do you have any information or link to any info about the amount of stretch yo-zuri has? Is it better than mono? I put it away a long time ago due to not liking its sensitivity, I have improved sense then, I might give it another shot just for fun.

If you do go for FC and If can't dish out for Tatsu, why dont you give Sunline FC Sniper a try. I heard the price/performance is pretty good for that line. Yeah it's like $25, but it would be giving fluorocarbon an honest shot. At worst, you could use the rest as a leader when using braid. You should get some line conditioner. It makes a huge difference in manageability and isn't that expensive. It works good on yo-zuri too.

[roadwarrior]

I don't know specifically how Yo-Zuri compares to the stretch in other lines.

I really don't notice any, but that may be silly. The main point I would make

is that guys need to try a few lines to find a few they like. The Hybrid is cheap,

so if you don't like it you are not out much.

These are two other lines you might try: P-Line CXX and Izorline XXX Super

Co-Polymer.

[skeletor6]

I don't know specifically how Yo-Zuri compares to the stretch in other lines.

I really don't notice any, but that may be silly. The main point I would make

is that guys need to try a few lines to find a few they like. The Hybrid is cheap,

so if you don't like it you are not out much.

These are two other lines you might try: P-Line CXX and Izorline XXX Super

Co-Polymer.

Good point RW you should try out many lines until you find your favorite for each reel/rod combo. Yozuri is ridiculously cheap I paid $12 or $15 for 600yards. It was 12 pound line and pike were struggling breaking off my line while t-rigging for bass in pike infested waters. My buddies with braid and mono lost a combined 8 baits due to break offs with mono and braid. I lost only 1 with yozuri, it is some tough line that is forsure.

[Highhawk1948]

I have been trying out Yo-zuri's Hybrid line for soft Plastics, Flipping, pitching, and short sidearm casts. So far so good, have caught some fish but still testing. I have always fished " mean green trilene".

I do use backing, and when I spooled appox. 40 yards on my reels. (12 pound test). As I was spooling I ran the line thru a rag saturated in "Reel Majic" then tied the end of the line to my fence and streched it out for the 40 yards and keep it under pressure for appox. 15 mins. Then as I was reeling it back on the reel I ran the line again thru the reel majic. I spray reel majic on the line before I start fishing. As I said, so far so good.

Have tried FC line and did not like it, just to stiff.

Have not tried it for cranks or spinnerbaits.

[upnorthbassin]

I just got 8000 yards of the Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6lb in the mail the other day. Just spooled some today to give it a test run. This stuff is so cheap ($25 for 8000 yards including shipping) that I figured what the heck, if I don't like it...I can use it for backing and spool up reels for anyone I know that wants to try it. I did a few very unscientific tests with it and the results were good so far. This stuff breaks wayyy over 6lbs. Their website says 11.something and they aren't lying. The knot strength seems noticeably better than the flouro lines I've been using.

One thing I've noticed with flouro line is that you need to be careful with your knot tying. make sure it's really wet when tying or else you'll get break offs pretty easy. I have bought the lines that everyone complains about like stren flourocast and vicious.....and maybe I've been lucky but I did not have the breakoff problems that others are having even after plenty of use. I still didn't care for them though. I'm still on the fence with flouro in general though.....it is pretty stiff with good amount of memory and even if you're careful with your knots the knot strength still isn't as good as mono or braid. I go back and forth using it for leaders because I'm not 100% sold on it yet.

[TNBassin']

I've yet to take the plunge on Yo Zuri Hybrid, but I tried SpiderWire's EZ Fluoro and HATED that stuff. Total junk, with tons of memory. I'm getting to where I just can't stomach fishing with the sponge known as mono anymore. It's manageable, but plumps up way too much in an hour and hinders casting for me a bit. Not sure if I will try Yo Zuri or Pline Fluoroclear first...

[mattk22]

For the past two years I have been experimenting with a number of fluorocarbons.

The biggest issue is manageability. If cost is not important, Tatsu gets my vote.

Otherwise, I think Yo-Zuri Hybrid is the better choice.

RW, what methods are you using Hybrid for? Second question, what do you think of the clear? TW only has the clear in the 600 yd spools and they aren't much more then the 275 spools. my lakes are mostly stained. thanks for all your good input.

[skeletor6]

I have been trying out Yo-zuri's Hybrid line for soft Plastics, Flipping, pitching, and short sidearm casts. So far so good, have caught some fish but still testing. I have always fished " mean green trilene".

I do use backing, and when I spooled appox. 40 yards on my reels. (12 pound test). As I was spooling I ran the line thru a rag saturated in "Reel Majic" then tied the end of the line to my fence and streched it out for the 40 yards and keep it under pressure for appox. 15 mins. Then as I was reeling it back on the reel I ran the line again thru the reel majic. I spray reel majic on the line before I start fishing. As I said, so far so good.

Have tried FC line and did not like it, just to stiff.

Have not tried it for cranks or spinnerbaits.

Have you ever tried KVD line conditioner? And as I mentioned earlier, if you buy the wrong fluoro, you will get a very bad impression of it. What fluoro did you try? There are some very manageable fluorocarbons out there. Usually, there is a trade off between manageability and the stretch of fluorocarbon. An indirect relationship between the two. KVD line conditioner greatly improves the manageability of fluorocarbon.

I just got 8000 yards of the Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6lb in the mail the other day. Just spooled some today to give it a test run. This stuff is so cheap ($25 for 8000 yards including shipping) that I figured what the heck, if I don't like it...I can use it for backing and spool up reels for anyone I know that wants to try it. I did a few very unscientific tests with it and the results were good so far. This stuff breaks wayyy over 6lbs. Their website says 11.something and they aren't lying. The knot strength seems noticeably better than the flouro lines I've been using.

One thing I've noticed with flouro line is that you need to be careful with your knot tying. make sure it's really wet when tying or else you'll get break offs pretty easy. I have bought the lines that everyone complains about like stren flourocast and vicious.....and maybe I've been lucky but I did not have the breakoff problems that others are having even after plenty of use. I still didn't care for them though. I'm still on the fence with flouro in general though.....it is pretty stiff with good amount of memory and even if you're careful with your knots the knot strength still isn't as good as mono or braid. I go back and forth using it for leaders because I'm not 100% sold on it yet.

The line is just ridiculously inexpensive and is very versatile. I actually have been using yozuri as my backing to fluoro and braid. Yes, you are absolutely correct on the strength of yozuri, it is almost double what it is listed as. It helps to make it a great choice for spinning and casting applications.

You are correct about knot tying and fluorocarbon. The line in general takes more maintenance. I am in the same boat as you, I have not had a problem with breakoffs. I've been tying a pitzen knot without any issues once so ever. It is an easy knot to tie also.

I've yet to take the plunge on Yo Zuri Hybrid, but I tried SpiderWire's EZ Fluoro and HATED that stuff. Total junk, with tons of memory. I'm getting to where I just can't stomach fishing with the sponge known as mono anymore. It's manageable, but plumps up way too much in an hour and hinders casting for me a bit. Not sure if I will try Yo Zuri or Pline Fluoroclear first...

SpiderWire's EZ Fluoro is anything but "EZ". That line is absolutely terrible, if you do a search you will see so many bad reviews, you should give yourself some exposure to a quality fluorocarbon line. If for nothing else, just to get that memory of Spiderwire out of your mind. That stuff is completely unmanageable. If I were you I would go with yozuri first though, if you dont like it you will not be out much and have 600 yards of backing for the expensive fluoro that you will soon by thereafter!

RW, what methods are you using Hybrid for? Second question, what do you think of the clear? TW only has the clear in the 600 yd spools and they aren't much more then the 275 spools. my lakes are mostly stained. thanks for all your good input.

I can't speak for RW, but I will say that you can use that line for just about anything. It is very versatile and tough. The only technique I would not use it for is topwater, because it does somewhat sink. I advise you to go on ebay and get the 600yd spool of your choice. They will have the color you want. I got mine from there and had no issues with integrity.

[roadwarrior]

RW, what methods are you using Hybrid for? Second question, what do you think of the clear? TW only has the clear in the 600 yd spools and they aren't much more then the 275 spools. my lakes are mostly stained. thanks for all your good input.

I am still experimenting with some other lines for specific techniques, but the Yo-Zuri Hybrid can be used for everything.

The clear line will be fine.