airborne_angler Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 A local tackle shop carries them and they go for $5.99 for 2 baits. I dunno but Im gonna call shenanigans on this idea. Any thoughts on this new concept? http://www.uv-tackle.com/ Quote
zero Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 good idea but way too expensive just screw them Quote
Eternal Angler Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Never heard of them or seen them at the bait shop. I call it a marketing scheme! "UV" Yeah, that's a nice touch. I wouldn't mind trying them, but $6 for two units. Um no! Quote
Super User Hammer 4 Posted February 5, 2010 Super User Posted February 5, 2010 How would they Know, how a bass see's those, or any bait..? IMHO, they are guessing, or scaming.. Quote
airborne_angler Posted February 5, 2010 Author Posted February 5, 2010 Thats what I was thinking.People have written books about different subjects related to the science of fishing. Ive even heard that fish have no pain receptors,so when they get hooked they dont feel it. Um did Mr. Largemouth tell someone that for a fact,how do people know what a fish can see,how it sees it,and how a Bass portrays taste among other things. Until a Bass can talk,we can only guess on such things. Quote
River Rat316 Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 You can buy uv worm dip. Alot of ice fishing jigs are now coming out uv coated, and imho it makes a difference in dirty or stained water or if you are fishing deep. But thats all for crappie. I have some uv over coat that I am going to try on some of my bass jigs this year to see if it adds anything. On the science front alot of what they think comes from disection of the eye itself, I am no scientist but it goes along the lines of tearing apart something to figure out how it works. In the end though it is still and educated guess and scientists like to talk in absolutes, when really they are just theorizing on something. Quote
OIFBasser Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 You can buy a Chem-light and cut the top off and dip your worms in it. Those are some steep prices. Quote
texlwedge Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I picked up some of these at last years Classic. Have not fished them yet, but the idea behind it seems logical. I agree that they are pricey, but don't some of us pay 25.00 or more for custom cranks? lol Quote
RandySBreth Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 Those would be awesome to fish with some Pink Floyd playing on the boat while night fishing with the black light on dude - or not! : Quote
Super User Paul Roberts Posted February 5, 2010 Super User Posted February 5, 2010 I don't know enough about UV vision in fish really -it's relatively new. I got to know some vision researcher's at University a while back. I talked with one -who worked mostly with fish -who said the current literature on FW fish is that UV is useful very close to the surface, and larval fishes (newborn) use it to contrast (see) zooplankton against background. It is retained into adulthood in some fishes like bluegills that remain zooplankton feeders. I think I remember that perch lost it at maturity. I seem to remember believing that this was something that didn't pertain to adult piscivores. But...things have changed in the field I suspect. There's bound to be more research out there now. Probably, this lure treatment (if that's what it is) touts some kind of research, and is trying to cash in. I just dunno. I haven't seen the research. But anytime some company appears to be trying to cash in on a small body of research -at least beware. Think... red fishing line that "disappears" underwater. LOL I'm laughing I guess, but in the red line case I see that as just plain lying. As to UV -I need to see, and understand, the research. As to fishing results, it's darn difficult to sort out the effect of one variable in fishing results. It better be one POWERFUL variable to skew results very far with any consistency. There's a piece of research I did see that might have some relevance. Egg mortality in bluegills was found to be related to time of year and depth of nest. The culprit was UV light (A or B -don't remember -the "harmful" one). Late spawning (summer) bluegills that spawned deeper had higher nest success. What this tells me is that at least one UV light ray (like other light rays) is filtered out, to a degree, seasonally. So such a potion MIGHT be less useful outside of summer. The bottom line question though is, can bass (not shad or bluegills) use UV, which one, how deep does it penetrate and how does water clarity affect it? I have one piece of fishing lore to share along this line -sortof... A group of anglers discovered that glow lures (phosphorescent) caught trout just before daybreak much more effectively than standard lures, until the sun came up, when the other "colors" evened out with them. I tried it and it appeared to work. Quote
A-Rob Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I think they claimed that bass prey glows in the dark. I would disagree, I think crawdads and bait fish are somewhat camouflaged and bass have no problem chomping down on them. Maybe bass happen to love that stuff, but it is definitely not natural. Funny thing is, when I am choosing lures, I dont' pick one that I can see 20 feet from the boat. I try to pick one that blends in a bit better. Like pumpkin green in clear water. Or Junebug in dark water. Or a silver jerkbait as it blends in with the sky. Thats what KVD says anyways, so I will listen to him. Quote
Primus Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I could see where this might be effective during a night bite, even if most fish/prey don't glow at night it doesn't mean that Bass wouldn't hit it out of curiousity or because it's being presented with an easy meal. If they have a Senko type of bait I might try it. Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted February 5, 2010 Super User Posted February 5, 2010 I don't know enough about UV vision in fish really -it's relatively new. I got to know some vision researcher's at University a while back. I talked with one -who worked mostly with fish -who said the current literature on FW fish is that UV is useful very close to the surface, and larval fishes (newborn) use it to contrast (see) zooplankton against background. It is retained into adulthood in some fishes like bluegills that remain zooplankton feeders. I think I remember that perch lost it at maturity. I seem to remember believing that this was something that didn't pertain to adult piscivores.But...things have changed in the field I suspect. There's bound to be more research out there now. Probably, this lure treatment (if that's what it is) touts some kind of research, and is trying to cash in. I just dunno. I haven't seen the research. But anytime some company appears to be trying to cash in on a small body of research -at least beware. Think... red fishing line that "disappears" underwater. LOL I'm laughing I guess, but in the red line case I see that as just plain lying. As to UV -I need to see, and understand, the research. As to fishing results, it's darn difficult to sort out the effect of one variable in fishing results. It better be one POWERFUL variable to skew results very far with any consistency. There's a piece of research I did see that might have some relevance. Egg mortality in bluegills was found to be related to time of year and depth of nest. The culprit was UV light (A or B -don't remember -the "harmful" one). Late spawning (summer) bluegills that spawned deeper had higher nest success. What this tells me is that at least one UV light ray (like other light rays) is filtered out, to a degree, seasonally. So such a potion MIGHT be less useful outside of summer. The bottom line question though is, can bass (not shad or bluegills) use UV, which one, how deep does it penetrate and how does water clarity affect it? I pretty much agree with what Paul has stated. There is at least one study that has documented a probable connection between UV vision, YOY largemouth and feeding. As mentioned though, the bigger question is whether this ability carries into adulthood, and from the most recent research I've seen in largemouth bass, there is no indication/mention that it does. As such, I'd be hesitant to lay out that kind of money for a soft plastic bait based on what appears to be unproven science. -T9 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 5, 2010 Super User Posted February 5, 2010 I figured it was only a matter of time before this seeped into the bass fishing realm. Its been the hot thing for west coast trout and salmon fisherman for a few years now. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted February 5, 2010 Super User Posted February 5, 2010 Just another gimmick, not that it won't catch fish, but I catch them on my mothers old garter belt too. Ive even heard that fish have no pain receptors,so when they get hooked they dont feel it. A couple months ago I caught a fish and I stepped on it a bit too hard, this fish let out with a squeal like a pig, sounded to me as if it had some pain, don't remember the species. Quote
VABassin'14 Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I think this one of the many baits that are made to catch more fishermen than fish. Quote
Super User grimlin Posted February 5, 2010 Super User Posted February 5, 2010 $5.99 for 2 baits is out of the question... Quote
FISHUNTER Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 I'd stick with the tried and true and not fall for the gimmicke stuff like this. This hasn't gone over to well in the hunting seen either. 8-) Quote
Super User Paul Roberts Posted February 6, 2010 Super User Posted February 6, 2010 I'd stick with the tried and true and not fall for the gimmicke stuff like this. This hasn't gone over to well in the hunting seen either. 8-) I remember the UV spray. So that went extinct did it? Not surprised. Quote
airborne_angler Posted February 6, 2010 Author Posted February 6, 2010 Was just looking at a Bass Pro Shops spring Catalog tonight and I saw some UV dye in the listings,so apparently it hasnt totally gone away.Notice there arent any reviews for this spray. http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_10205321____SearchResults Quote
Super User CWB Posted February 6, 2010 Super User Posted February 6, 2010 Looks like the fish have a black light like I used to have in the 70's. Quote
b.Lee Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 I feel like if it was catching ridiculous amounts of fish it would have caught on a long time ago. Quote
brushhoggin Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Just another gimmick, not that it won't catch fish, but I catch them on my mothers old garter belt too.Ive even heard that fish have no pain receptors,so when they get hooked they dont feel it. A couple months ago I caught a fish and I stepped on it a bit too hard, this fish let out with a squeal like a pig, sounded to me as if it had some pain, don't remember the species. i've heard they dont have nerve endings in the thin membrane around their mouths, just can't guarantee setting the hook there every time Quote
wisconsin heat Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 i remember reading somwhere that bass cant even detect UV light Quote
brophog Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Looks like the fish have a black light like I used to have in the 70's. My fish have.......disco fever! Get down, you funky LMB! Quote
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