Super User WRB Posted September 24, 2012 Super User Posted September 24, 2012 The Tokar hook is made by Eagle Claw and they are trying to regain a market position lost to the Japanese hooks that introduced new metals and sharing technology. Tokar has basically tried to offer a hook that incorporates features known to be popular and hope these features appeal to anglers. The shrink sleeve is copied from Roboworm Rebard, the triangular knife edge from Owner and eliminate the needle point that tends to flatten. The cost is higher due to sharpening after heat treatment and plating, which dulls the very tip and sharp edges. Tokar is sharping the hook for you, then packaging it. Tokar is a sharp hook out of the package. How long it stays sharp depends on what the hook point contacts during each cast, no hook is indestructible! The question is; do you want to pay for one hook sharping or learn to sharpen your own hooks? If you don't learn how to keep your hooks extremely sharp, then you either throw dulled hooked away or fish with a dulled hook. Fishing with a dulled hook point leads to missed strikes because the hook didn't stick into mouth tissue and transfer the fishes movement to let you know a strike has occurred. I am a fan of sharpening every hook I fish with and check and resharpen them as needed. The triangular knife edge sharping is standard practice for my marlin hooks because the knife edges cut into the bill and hard mouth. I am not a fan of knife edges for bass hooks and prefer just the tip to be extremely sticky sharp because bass have softer mouth tissue and only the inside ridge of the lips and surface of the crunchers in the roof the basses mouth are tough to penetrate with the tip of the hook and slicing through isn't needed. I also use a fine tool makers file to sharpen hooks. I don't spend a lot of time resharping worm hooks, unless I am running low on them, but I do sharpen jig hooks due to the cost of making up jigs, like hair jigs! In regards to a pro bass angler; who would risk missing a money fish due to a dulled hook, they re tie and replace their hooks constantly, it's a matter getting a check or not...the cost of fishing. Tokars; I tried the free samples, very sharp out of the package and dulls just like any other hook during use. I don't like the knife edges and caution anyone using them to take care the hook edges do not contact your line when storing the hooks on your rods on the deck or in the locker, the sharp edges will cut and nick the line. Tom PS; appoloogize for the long reply, too much time setting around on my backside. 2 Quote
Curved Posted September 25, 2012 Author Posted September 25, 2012 Great advice as usual WRB. Really appreciate the depth. I've been reading Iovino's book per your suggestion and its great. Thanks again! Quote
PABASS Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 I like eagle claw hooks and I like the price, eagle claw needed a high end product and Trokar is it and not worth the costs to me. This year I changed to gammies to give them a try and have missed more fish on a gammy then I have on a sharpened eagle claw, with that said I sharpen “most” of my hooks and do so very similar to a Trokar edge. I buy cheaper hooks and make them sharper, I do like gammies and will sharpen them as well but an eagle claw can be just as good and better than a gammie in my book. I posted a question of hook sharpening not that long ago and it seemed split, with that be said take a hook out of the package and put it under a magnifying glass look what makes them sharp. Some hooks have a triangle edge which I think is the best along with less material to make that edge. Some hooks just tapper off to a point like gammies, all hooks OEMs have a way to create a point. I loose more fish with a cone shaped point than I do with a triangle edge so I typically make the triangle edge. Quote
Avalonjohn44 Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 I just fished with a guide in FL who swore by Trokars. We frog fished all morning using Trokar Flippin' hooks in a Zoom frog. I had more hookups than ever before on frogs, and will be getting some of those next trip to BPS. I Loved them. Maybe not a conventional use of the flipping hook, but I'm sold after trying them that way. They seemed to penetrate deeper and allowed for better hookups. I was impressed. Quote
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