What Gives Line Or Rod

[BassMaster#1]

I have a bass pro cranking stick 7 6" in medium with 10lb red label segur line. I went out to the lake to test the rod out and lost two lures on two cast. the first cast was with a norman dd22 in 3/4oz and the second crankbait in 3/4oz. two cast and the line broke on both cast. Could this be the line or the rod being to weak to cast these lures? the rod is rated to 5/8 oz i belive. What is your folks opinion on this? I would love to get to the bottom of this, i cant afford to lose more lures.

[zachb34]

Probably your knot what kind where you using? When I first tryed flouro this happened while I was using a palamor knot now it doesn't happen with a San Diego jam knot

[S Hovanec]

Check the guides for cracked/chipped guide inserts. Take a Q-tip or cotton ball and run it around the inside of each guide. If it pulls off tufts of cotton...there's your culprit.

[roadwarrior]

The line sucks

[K_Mac]

A slightly under-powered rod is likely not the problem, unless a guide is damaged. My bet would be either the knot or the line. Even the best nylon line will degrade over time, esp when exposed to sunlight for extended periods. Re-spool with new line (a good copoly would be my choice), check the rod for damage, and have fun.

[BassMaster#1]

The line was new just spooled on. The funny thing I was out last week with 12lb line and had no problems but wanted to try 10lb line. I guess either my knot or line but I'm thing it is probably the line. What knot do u guys use with fluro. I do like yo-zuri but will it get as deep as fluro

[papajoe222]

I use the Pitszen knot for flouro and mono as it doesn't allow the line to cut into itself, but any knot that is tied with the tag end wrapping around the standing line is a good choice.

Although flouro does sink, it won't get your bait any deeper than mono or a copolymer of the same diameter. On drop baits, it may get it there quicker, but on cranks etc. it's the resistance of the bait that gives it the depth.

BTW, don't buy into the hype that flouro has less stretch than mono. The difference is so minimal that at 50yrds. there is less than a foot difference in stretch of lines of the same diameter. It is, however, much more sensitive because it has a heavier molecular structure which is also why it sinks and doesn't absorb water.

[Bassn Blvd]

The line sucks

X2, without holding back. haha

[fishking247]

use mono or braid. problem solved

[SirSnookalot]

I highly doubt it was overloading the rod, a cracked guide insert will cut or weaken any line. First thing to do is try and determine where the failure is, was it the knot or the line breaking? Just about any correctly tied knot won't fail on a cast, the cheapest line in the world won't break either if it's in good shape to start with. My hunch is just a bad spool of line, not the brand itself. I would respool then test it out tossing a sinker, if the line breaks you haven't lost much.

[Bluebasser86]

Probably the wrong knot or a poorly tied one.

My other thought is why did you lose those baits? You didn't say what the second one was other than a crankbait but the DD22 I know floats for sure, why didn't you just go pick it up? I've cast baits off a time of two when the line got frayed or wrapped around the tip but I always just go and get them when that happens.

[BassMaster#1]

went back to the lake today to see if I could find my crank baits and sure enougth I did. was supprised about this one. rod guides are fine but I'm going to try it again with a 3/4oz washer and see what gives. If i can cast fine with out the line snapping I will caulk it up to bad knot, but if line breaks again I'm throwing on the 12lb stuff to test.

[00 mod]

Was there any line on the baits when you found them?

Jeff

[SirSnookalot]

Was there any line on the baits when you found them?

Jeff

Good point ! An indication whether the knot failed or the line broke.

[BassMaster#1]

ok I metioned i got my lures back but it looks like the line broke about 1.5' to 2" above where my knot was tied. Would this indicated new line or new knot. Funny thing was I went out again today to play arond with the rod again but was able to cast the same rod with same line without any breaks. Then I put the 3/4 oz lure on another rod to check out how this rod would throw the lures. I did noticed that the line is 10lb test but has the diameter of 8lb mono. The rod is a cheaper berkley rod rated to 3/4 oz but feels pretty noodlie. On the second cast with this rod the line snapped. I got my lure back and found out that this line snapped about 2" inches above my knot. Now this line is spooled with Suffix braid and 10lb yo-zuri leader. I have no doubt that a lighter lure would have cast fine but I wanted to see if I could cast the dd22.

[00 mod]

Im guessing a tip top eye with damage....

Jeff

[ww2farmer]

10lb yo-zuri leader

Now there IS line that sucks.

[SirSnookalot]

If I understand correctly, sounds like the leader is breaking above the knot that attached the lure. Maybe the leader was stretched ( burn) and it was weakened, quite honestly I've only read about and never experienced it. Ever put 2 socks in the dryer and get only 1 back, one of the mysteries of life with no answer. I believe there is a message from God, trash the rod, reel, and line and start from scratch or do some Zen meditation.

[00 mod]

Make sure when you are tying tour knot, you give a good amount of saliva as well. Keep everything wet and cool when tying that knot.

Jeff

[Capt.Bob]

The line sucks

X2, without holding back. haha

I have to agree X3, I was very dissapointed in the Red Label from Seguar. I use there line only for leaders, and when I do, I use the Abrazx, and Tatsu. I really think your problem is in the Knots or the Guides, but if you continue to use Seguar's Red Label, expect problems.

[iabass8]

Crazy....I've been using red label for a couple years on my squarebill amd trap rods and dont have any issues with it aside from abrasion resistance. Line seems really strong to me using the san diego jam...

[Capt.Bob]

Crazy....I've been using red label for a couple years on my squarebill amd trap rods and dont have any issues with it aside from abrasion resistance. Line seems really strong to me using the san diego jam...

That was my problem with it, since I use braid as mainline on every reel I own, the red label performed poorly for abrasion and all knots were not useful with it, plus it is very stiff and once I went with abrazx those problems all but went away. When I can I use Trilene Big Game, as I think it is one of the most abrasion resistant lines on the market!! Tough stuff, but a lot of stretch.