Flouro Problems

[11justin22]

Ok, I recently decided I would try flouro. Went on the cheap first and bought some red label. The sensitevty was awesome but I found the memory and abrasion restiance a little lacking. Then one trip I got one of those professional overruns......picked it out and when I reeld up I was stuck. I just reeled down to it and pop...half my freaking spool was gone. So I decided since the sensitevty was so great I would try some abrazx. Everything red label was and more except a little more stretchy. Then tonight after six or so trips on the line I did the same thing as before. Backlash..hung up...pop....half my spool gone. It's getting old. I know of the problems with getting a knick in your line and flouro breaking. This last one I was extra careful to not pull hard to kink the line and it still done it. So my question is....is there a fix for this? Is there a better line that doesn't do this AS bad. I just happened to pick a up box of invisix for ten bucks earlier today so I guess that will be going on next...

[hooah212002]

Did you put any KVD on it? I am not saying for sure that it would have helped, but theoretically it would have.

[MarkH024]

Your birds nest could have caused the line to cut through or partially through itself. KVD line conditioner is magical with fluorocarbon. It will soften it up really nice. Apply it before you go out and a few times during.

I hate to be blunt,but it's more than likely that it was an error by you. Check your guides too. Bad guide could have put a nick in the line.

[iabass8]

There really isnt a fix for that issue unless you go up in price a ways which isnt for everyone. Those kinks in fluoro will just happen and its something you will just get better at by knowing when to pick out certain areas. I use red label for shallow cranks and had the same issues except i casted the kink out and and off went the bait. Line conditioner will help a little with kinks but not the end all for it. Getting more proficient with your brakes will help more than anything.

[11justin22]

Line was soaked kvd several times and yes it helps with managing it. To the guys saying its an error by me I agree but I'm not a newbie to baitcasters either. Been using them for twenty years. Not the rod either as this was two different rods( I didn't make that clear). I chalked the first time up to me pulling backlash out to rough. The second time I literally had two backlashes in 6 trip on that line. I babied it and got it out gently. Just sucks cause that stuff is twenty five bucks a box. I really want flouro to work as its great with trigs and jigs. If that is my only, option to baby it more, I guess I will just deal with it.

[TNBassin']

I've had issues with fluoro as a main line, and I've given up. Not gonna spend big money on line. Gonna give Yo Zuri a try, since it seems like it's the perfect mix between fluoro an mono.

[rockchalk06]

What were you using to pick the backlash out?

I hated red label. Had way to much memory for me. I have some invizix I'm trying out.

I am about ready to just say screw it and stick with braid and a fluoro leader. Hopefully the invizix will fair better

[11justin22]

What were you using to pick the backlash out?

I hated red label. Had way to much memory for me. I have some invizix I'm trying out.

I am about ready to just say screw it and stick with braid and a fluoro leader. Hopefully the invizix will fair better

My hand....

[NMarotta28]

What i do is put like 10-20 yards of braid on first so the fluoro doesnt dig into the spool.. I just tie my 12lb berkley vanish onto it and spool it up.. Havent had any problems yet. Like everyone else said.. Check ur guides etc. Best of luck.

[msolorio]

Well your first problem was using fluoro with the seaguar name on it lol jk jk when it comes to fluoro, you get what you pay for and if it's not made in Japan, dont waste your time. The Japanese have that market down and are so strict on quality control and those dudes really pay attention to detail. I know it's expensive but get toray super hard upgrade. That stuff is insanely strong and if you throw a backlash you dont have to worry about breaking off at all because the stuff is just beastly. Idk if a line conditioner really does anything to fluoro because I dont think fluoro absorbs liquid but I could be wrong.

[11justin22]

Well your first problem was using fluoro with the seaguar name on it lol jk jk when it comes to fluoro, you get what you pay for and if it's not made in Japan, dont waste your time. The Japanese have that market down and are so strict on quality control and those dudes really pay attention to detail. I know it's expensive but get toray super hard upgrade. That stuff is insanely strong and if you throw a backlash you dont have to worry about breaking off at all because the stuff is just beastly. Idk if a line conditioner really does anything to fluoro because I dont think fluoro absorbs liquid but I could be wrong.

???? Seaguar is made in Japan and abrazx is roughly 26 or 27 bucks a box depending I where u get it. It's not an entry level flouro.

Anyways after some research looks like it is defiantly just the nature of the beast. The backlash is defiantly the problem. I'm still experimenting with different brands. Going to try sme sunline next I believe.

[msolorio]

Yea true it is but it seems like a lot of people, well friends of mine are switching from seaguar to other fluoros because of inconsistencies. Sunline is amazing stuff. I've straightened med. Wire hooks with 14# sniper, it was crazy. Toray fluoro is absolutely amazing. I have nothing but great things to say about both sunline and toray. Toray is a bit expensive but you get what you pay for.

[11justin22]

Yea true it is but it seems like a lot of people, well friends of mine are switching from seaguar to other fluoros because of inconsistencies. Sunline is amazing stuff. I've straightened med. Wire hooks with 14# sniper, it was crazy. Toray fluoro is absolutely amazing. I have nothing but great things to say about both sunline and toray. Toray is a bit expensive but you get what you pay for.

I could be wrong but it seems like a read that sunline is made in the toray plant. Would make since why u like both of them. It's going to be the next line I try. I'm not ready to give up on it yet.

[joeyd50]

I use braid and a 2 or 3 foot leader of flurocarbon uni to uni knot and never had a problem. And even more sensative

[fishking247]

use mono, screw fluoro. too many problems and the last thing i want to have to worry about is my line snapping every time i hook a fish. mono is cheap, cheap enough to respool once a month and not have to worry about all the hassles of fluoro and applying "KVD line conditioner" to your line every week

[BASSclary]

Backlashes, even small ones, can and will kink your line almost all the time. Once it kinks, it will break there. Sorry, but it happens with all fluorocarbon lines, including Sunline and Toray. And FWIW, Sunline and Toray are overpriced for what they are and people overhype them to an extreme. Toray is slightly better than Seahuar, but not worth the price of admission. Sunline has less memory than Seaguar, but that's because it's diameter is so small. That also equates to it's lack of abrasion resistance IMO. I think Seaguar is a nice blend of abrasion, and handling.

[msolorio]

Well there's really only 2, maybe 3 plants in the world that extrude fluoro. 2 of which are in Japan and one in I think Germany but I could be wrong. They might both be extruded in the same factory but they are not the same at all. Toray seems to be a step above every other fluoro I've tried in every way. Its not as limp as most fluoros but its still very manageable. I dont think you can go wrong with either though.

[msolorio]

Backlashes, even small ones, can and will kink your line almost all the time. Once it kinks, it will break there. Sorry, but it happens with all fluorocarbon lines, including Sunline and Toray. And FWIW, Sunline and Toray are overpriced for what they are and people overhype them to an extreme. Toray is slightly better than Seahuar, but not worth the price of admission. Sunline has less memory than Seaguar, but that's because it's diameter is so small. That also equates to it's lack of abrasion resistance IMO. I think Seaguar is a nice blend of abrasion, and handling.

Its hyped because its better. I'm not knocking seaguar in any way but from experience with the stuff, its complete junk to me. I had nothing but problems. Sunline as well as today's abrasion resistance is insanely awesome. I've had fish drag my line over rock, through timber, You name it and I still got fish in the boat. Never ever had a fish break off, not once. Seaguar on the other hand, break offs on hooksets, fish breaking off, way too much stretch, just problems. Idk but id rather spend the money on fluoro I know is and has been consistent than spend money on fluoro that's not so consistent. Oh and btw, sunline sniper, one of the best fluoros on the market, is only about a buck more than seaguar so idk why people say its expensive. Toray is pricey buuut you get what you pay for.

[NMarotta28]

When i first tried fluoro I absolutely hated it.. i mean really despised it.. After countless backspools a friend of mine told me to try tieing a 2-3 foot leader at the beginning of my spool with some braid.. I tried it out and havent looked back since. I use 12lb Berkley Vanish and i tell you it casts so smooth and so far and rarely backspool unless i make a mistake.

[*Hootie]

I've had issues with fluoro as a main line, and I've given up. Not gonna spend big money on line. Gonna give Yo Zuri a try, since it seems like it's the perfect mix between fluoro an mono.

Given up here too. I am using Yozuri, and Vicious Ultimate. Both work great for me. I refuse to spend $20.00+ for a spool of line.

You get what you pay for? Ahh, if only that were always true. What a wonderful world it would be.

Hootie

[Highhawk1948]

fishking247, that is exactly what I did. Went back to mono. Did the line dressing and spraying it but to much drama with it. Have tied a FC leader to my dropshot though. We'll see how that works.

[Highhawk1948]

fishking247, that is exactly what I did. Went back to mono. Did the line dressing and spraying it but too much drama with it. Have tied a FC leader to my dropshot though. We'll see how that works.

[TNBassin']

Given up here too. I am using Yozuri, and Vicious Ultimate. Both work great for me. I refuse to spend $20.00+ for a spool of line.

You get what you pay for? Ahh, if only that were always true. What a wonderful world it would be.

Hootie

How soft is the Yo Zuri? I'm reluctant to lay the cash down for this line, one because they make an ultra soft that no one seems to prefer over the original, and 2 because I'm told a line conditioner is a must, and 3 because I have come to hate fluorocarbon line because it's too stiff.

[*Hootie]

How soft is the Yo Zuri? I'm reluctant to lay the cash down for this line, one because they make an ultra soft that no one seems to prefer over the original, and 2 because I'm told a line conditioner is a must, and 3 because I have come to hate fluorocarbon line because it's too stiff.

I use KVD line conditioner, simply because I already have a bottle. So I don't know that it wouldn't work just fine without it. My guess is that it would work just fine. I wouldn't worry to much about the expense of line conditioner. I'm still using a bottle I've had for 2 years.

Hootie

[11justin22]

When i first tried fluoro I absolutely hated it.. i mean really despised it.. After countless backspools a friend of mine told me to try tieing a 2-3 foot leader at the beginning of my spool with some braid.. I tried it out and havent looked back since. I use 12lb Berkley Vanish and i tell you it casts so smooth and so far and rarely backspool unless i make a mistake.

Are u saying u put three foot of braid then the rest with flouro? Or braid with a flouro leader? If the first I have never heard of that, why would it solve the problem?