The Rooster Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 Yes earth, they are plastic, they just look like they are metal. As far as mechanically, all Shimano baitcasters are pretty much identical, its called trusted and true design. As far as Curado and Chronarch identical, close, but you forgot better drag system too. I know Im wrong about all of this since Ive only fished Shimano since I was 10, and dont own anything but Shimano. Stick to your Lews product, leave Shimano to me. You mean to tell me that you actually believe the D and E series Curado and the D series Chronarch had a plastic drag star?? How can you think that? Longevity of fishing Shimano products means nothing here. Observation of what's in your hand takes only a few seconds. Curado had a plastic star on the B series and hasn't had one since until the current G series. I don't know about the Chronarch before the D but I know the D model had a metal one too. You say you own them. Go look! I've got a Curado E right here to check for it myself. Wow.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 You mean to tell me that you actually believe the D and E series Curado and the D series Chronarch had a plastic drag star?? How can you think that? Longevity of fishing Shimano products means nothing here. Observation of what's in your hand takes only a few seconds. Curado had a plastic star on the B series and hasn't had one since until the current G series. I don't know about the Chronarch before the D but I know the D model had a metal one too. You say you own them. Go look! I've got a Curado E right here to check for it myself. Wow. Yes the drag star is plastic! I cant argue with you anymore, obviously not intelligent on this matter.
TrippyJai Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 The drag star on the Curado E5/E7 and Chronarch D series are aluminum. I'm a big shimano fan, but if all my fishing reels got stolen (knock on wood), I wouldn't replace them with the G series. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth from what they did from a business point. Will the reels perform as well as the E series? Absolutely, but that's just me and how I am.
Frog Turds Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 Yes the drag star is plastic! I cant argue with you anymore, obviously not intelligent on this matter. dude it says right in the description for the E7 "Cold Forged AL Drag Star with clicking adjustment"~ you lost some cred points on that one & you were telling others how they are not intelligent, makes you look like a fool lol
jj'sbassinforfun Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 Subscribed for entertainment! Wow, LMG! Where's reverse?
Super User J Francho Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 The 200 size reels had aluminum stars, but the 50 size had plastic. That's probably where the confusion lies.
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 Metal, plastic, or rubber. Heck, I don't care what it's made of as long as it's durable and performs to my liking. It could be made out of spider web for all i care. 3
BobP Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 If not for the E series Curados, we'd never be hearing these gripes. It's all about your viewpoint. Mine is that you can buy an E series Shimano at a steeply discounted price from its original $199 MSRP. I paid $145 new in box for a 50E, which is essentially a Chronarch with green versus white paint. What's not to like about that? Otherwise, the Shimano lineup and prices are back to what they were 5 years ago. I know confusion breeds discontent, but ya gotta reason your way through that. I'm just happy the Shimano price/model realignment provided the opportunity for a deal. 1
j.bruno Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 LOL seriously plastic vs metal drag star? Does it really make that much of a difference? I cant see how it would. Someone enlighten me. ( I Have reels with both)
Super User retiredbosn Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 Me personally I like my E series Curado and will not pay 50 bucks more this year to get the same reel with an ugly gray paint job. Shimano screwed up pure and simple, you can not relabel a reel charge more for it and expect the consumer just to stand by. To say that the Curado is back where it should be to me makes little sense, if they knew it was too good to be a Curado then they should have sold it as a Chronarch from day one! I keep looking for new in box Curado E series, and I find them occassionally, I bought my first E series new in box for 159 at a then local tackle shop, it was not on sale that is what the guy sold them for. I also have a B series Curado that I like, but IMO the E series is so much better.
Super User J Francho Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 Zillions went from $229 to $319 with no improvements/changes. Where's the outrage? lol. 2
Super User retiredbosn Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 Zillions went from $229 to $319 with no improvements/changes. Where's the outrage? lol. I don't know what Diawa's next reel up the line is from the Zillion, the trouble is they downgrade the Curado and call it the G series charge the same for it as the E series, relabel the Curado E as their "new" Chronarch, nothing new about it the Chronarch E series is last years Curado E. That's the bottom line for most. If they wanted to raise the price fine, I can stomach a price increase better than a bait and switch.
baluga Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 my take.. I don't see any room in the low profile category so If shimano is coming up with a $200 reel, I think they need to release a low end Calcutta replacing the Calcutta A or B. It would have the same design of the new Calcutta D with lower bearing counts and other shortcuts to bring the price from $350 to $200.00.
Maico1 Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 I am sure glad I do not have all these problems with the other brands Shimano manufactures.........
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 I am sure glad I do not have all these problems with the other brands Shimano manufactures......... Well they made the stradic 1000 --graphite, weigh more, took away the extra spool, charge $20 more.
BASSHUNTER1961 Posted August 20, 2012 Posted August 20, 2012 Bottom line is, every company does the same thing in one way or another. I'm a sales rep for an emergency generator service and sales company, and ALL the manufacturers do the exact same thing every year to their generators and transfer switches. Nothing lasts forever period!
Super User retiredbosn Posted August 20, 2012 Super User Posted August 20, 2012 Bottom line is, every company does the same thing in one way or another. I'm a sales rep for an emergency generator service and sales company, and ALL the manufacturers do the exact same thing every year to their generators and transfer switches. Nothing lasts forever period! Do the companies your represent actually downgrade the components in their generators and release it as the newest improved generator? That is where all the trouble lies, if you redesign the assumption is you are going to make it better. The fact is that this company downgraded a product and released it as a new design! Then the company took the old product gave it a different paint job, released it as an improved reel; not smart. Two years ago a consumer would assume that the Chronarch D was a better reel than the Curado E, it carried a higher price and was advertised by the company as a better reel. Now the Curado G is a downgraded redesign that has fewer bearings different drag etc than the E series it replaced. The "New" Chronarch E is the old Curado E, (the old Chronarch D should have been better than the Curado E to begin with) with a couple of minor cosmetic changes. It seems to me that Shimano succeeded in alienating both the Curado and Chronarch users. An to answer your orginal question I don't know if there are any better, what I would do is look for a Curado E somone is closing out, save some money that the bait monkey can take from you
GOOCHY Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Funny.... I plan on purchasing another Chronarch in the next two weeks. What reel do feel feel is better at the $200 and under price point, and please don't say Lew's? I dunno... I like my Lew's Speed Spool way more than I like my Citica.
BASSHUNTER1961 Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Do the companies your represent actually downgrade the components in their generators and release it as the newest improved generator? That is where all the trouble lies, if you redesign the assumption is you are going to make it better. To answer your question, yes.
BASSHUNTER1961 Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Wow All companies do the same thing, but most consumers have no idea.
Jake P Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 dude it says right in the description for the E7 "Cold Forged AL Drag Star with clicking adjustment"~ you lost some cred points on that one & you were telling others how they are not intelligent, makes you look like a fool lol BOOM!!! The reply im waiting for seems to be taking a while lol........
Capt.Bob Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 Graphite Stradics?? 1000 3000 and 4000 FJ just bought this spring, $136.00 was the most I paid for one, what price increase!! I would say the Stradic is a solid leader of the class over any other for that price. Hard to compare a 50 size Shimano to any Lews, although the Lew's are as small, they hold the same amount of line as the 200 with a strionger drag, smoother with carbon drag and more bearings than the Chronarch. 50E weighs more than a Lews tournament Pro, the TP can be had brand new for $150.00 so that is what is killing Shimano, it is selling reels of comparable quality for over $100.00 more. The Lew's Tournament is a match up with capacity , a better drag and smoother retrieve than the Chronarch and sells for $108.00 street price. I personally think the Tournament Pro and Team are a comparable reel to the Core 100 , either one sells for less than $200.00 and for the core to be a $300.00 reel, I believe in time even this high end reel will start loosing sales to the mighty Lew's. Like others said, reel manufacturers are catching up and surpassing Shimano and they are doing it with comparable models while offering more features for 50 to 100 buck's less! And Lew's is leading in sales right now, why not mention them???? I haven't used the new Calcutta, but have herd nothing but good words about them form those who have, although they upgraded a reel that had no equal already they did raise the price. It is still an upgrade and still a Superior round reel, I guess they can get away with it for now. Shimano just needs to get in line with their Low Profile Baitcasting reels price wise! Today you don't have to pay rediculous prices for a top quality baitcaster!!
Super User SirSnookalot Posted August 21, 2012 Super User Posted August 21, 2012 I don't really remember what I paid for my stradic fi's (4000), I know I did buy one on closeout at an excellent price. Price increases are MSRP, not what one actually pays, not everyone gets or even looks for a deal. I would think there are many over the counter sales at a BPS or some other retail outlet where people just buy them at the MSRP. If my memory serves me, stradic fi 4000 MSRP was about $179, with 2 spools and the FJ 4000 is about $ 199. MSRP, that's a price increase. The fj has graphite sideplate and rotor, I think the fi does too, not that I have found that to be a liability in performance. Better or best is in the eyes of the beholder, I do like my stradics a lot, but I like other reels just as well. My 4 Abu soron stx's have no graphite that I'm aware of, bit stronger drags (meaningless really as I'm setting to the line test) 22 as compared to stradic's 20. The reels have been in service a couple of years longer and still perform like new, after catching many fish in areas with lots of blowing sand and salt air. Not saying they are superior, saying that they are my favorites and the MSRP was cheaper too.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted August 21, 2012 Super User Posted August 21, 2012 BOOM!!! The reply im waiting for seems to be taking a while lol........ Nah, just done trying to explain buisiness procedures to the mindless. Its easier to let them just not fish Shimano products, that leaves more for me.
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