One More Week!!!!!!

[Hyrule Bass]

You cant honestly give a fair opinion on Murray. He hasnt even had a full year as a starter. So saying he isnt a scoring threat is a ridiculous assumption.

Romo is a choker because of INT's?!? I just gave you Tom Brady's stats. You may need to re read them if you didnt notice where i wrote that Brady threw more INT's than Romo. So by your standards Brady is more of a choker than Romo. Again, re read what i originally wrote because i clearly stated i am NOT comparing the 2 and i also said that Romo will never be as good as Brady ever. I used Brady as an example to compare stats to. Brady is the best QB in the league without a doubt. If Romo is such a choker, why are his and Brady's stats very close for the 2011 season? I can guarantee you that while both QB's are being chased down by a Defensive player, Romo will create a play on the move better than Brady all day long. They are totally different QB's but Romo is far from a choker. Give me some more reasons why you think he is so horrible since i just proved you wrong in facts. I think your just on the Romo hater bandwaggon like alot of uninformed casual NFL fans are. Look up the stats if you dont believe me. Listen to NFL experts who 95% say Romo is a great QB and not the problem. He might not be the leader he needs to be which i agree with, but he is not a choker or a bad QB.

Garret avoiding the run for the pass is not just a personal thing. The entire NFL is a Pass first, run second league. Again, experts will tell you the same thing. Check stats on the run vs the pass on every NFL team if you dont believe. I would be passing alot more too given the O line the Cowboys have. As for Rob Ryan having bad schemes. You dont help justify your point using Cinci and Oakland as examples. They consistently have bad defense reguardless of the coach.

Miles Hammy issue is up in the air. This year could be a totally isolated incident. Do you even know if its the same leg as last year?

i gave you a fair opinion of Murray, 13 games 2 TDs = not a scoring threat. Quit being a blind homer, my opinions of the cowpukes are not ridiculous. they are based on fact. Youre hyping them up because theyre your team, but they really arent as talented as you think they are. Every year the media overhypes them and they underachieve. I seriously dont see them as super bowl contenders. Just look at their offense in limited duty last night, Murray couldnt even get a yard. and your oline was constantly blown up by the raiders d line...

Also, you ARE comparing Romo and Brady, or why did you even mention him. And if youre not going to properly read my posts so you can properly address them, then dont even bother. I didnt just say interceptions, i said UNTIMELY interceptions, which means Romo throws them at the worst possible times and it kills his team. Last year the Cowboys are the first team in history to lose 3 straight games in which they were up by 12 or more in the 4th quarter. In large part due to Romos untimely late game turnovers, is that not enough reason for you? That is a choker. Just listing stats usually never tells the full story, but you dont want to hear that, but its fact. You proved nothing wrong with facts, you twisted what i said into something else to suit your agenda and now youre getting called out on it. I am a Romo hater, I am a cowboys Hater, absolutely cannot stand them and never will, its in my blood, i was born hating them. HAIL REDSKINS!!! But i am not an uninformed casual NFL fan. I am highly informed and a huge fan of NFL football. I follow everything about the NFL year round. Sounds like youre the one thats offended, probably due to blind homerism that you cant fairly assess your own team.

The thing about Garrett, again you turned it into something i didnt say. I said he passes even when their is no benefit to it. When the cowboys have a 12 point leads late in the 4th, then why is Romo still passing almost every play? All these NFL experts you keep mentioning will tell you that is exactly when you should be running the ball and eating up clock. Yet Garrett is calling pass plays and romo is turning the ball over allowing other teams to steal games from them. That or as ive seen mentioned during games, Garrett actually does call runs late in the game and romo, being an idiot, audibles to a pass.

Also, Rob Ryan never coached in Cinci, it was Cleveland, yet i am the casual uninformed fan. The guy has had players to coach, his scheme just sucks. You were practically "forced" to hire him because he was the only 3-4 D-Coordinater available that had any experience in that role. Your defense failed under him last year, and Wade Phillips defense in Houston thrived while learning the 3-4 from scratch and they also had no offseason from the lockout, so thats no excuse for Rob Ryan...

If even Miles Austins hamstring is a different leg, its still a recurring problem with him. and if it is a different leg, then thats probably even worse of a problem. an overrated WR with two bum hammys is worse than one bum hammy...

Also after watching the game last night, your oline appears to be worse than the Redskins, and the Skins have been hit hard with injuries along the line as well. RG3 didnt get touched with 3 backups starting against a formidable dline of the bills, yet last night i see tommy kelly throwing romo around like a rag doll. and your oline getting no push in the run game...

[Jake P]

i gave you a fair opinion of Murray, 13 games 2 TDs = not a scoring threat. Quit being a blind homer, my opinions of the cowpukes are not ridiculous. they are based on fact. Youre hyping them up because theyre your team, but they really arent as talented as you think they are. Every year the media overhypes them and they underachieve. I seriously dont see them as super bowl contenders. Just look at their offense in limited duty last night, Murray couldnt even get a yard. and your oline was constantly blown up by the raiders d line...

Also, you ARE comparing Romo and Brady, or why did you even mention him. And if youre not going to properly read my posts so you can properly address them, then dont even bother. I didnt just say interceptions, i said UNTIMELY interceptions, which means Romo throws them at the worst possible times and it kills his team. Last year the Cowboys are the first team in history to lose 3 straight games in which they were up by 12 or more in the 4th quarter. In large part due to Romos untimely late game turnovers, is that not enough reason for you? That is a choker. Just listing stats usually never tells the full story, but you dont want to hear that, but its fact. You proved nothing wrong with facts, you twisted what i said into something else to suit your agenda and now youre getting called out on it. I am a Romo hater, I am a cowboys Hater, absolutely cannot stand them and never will, its in my blood, i was born hating them. HAIL REDSKINS!!! But i am not an uninformed casual NFL fan. I am highly informed and a huge fan of NFL football. I follow everything about the NFL year round. Sounds like youre the one thats offended, probably due to blind homerism that you cant fairly assess your own team.

The thing about Garrett, again you turned it into something i didnt say. I said he passes even when their is no benefit to it. When the cowboys have a 12 point leads late in the 4th, then why is Romo still passing almost every play? All these NFL experts you keep mentioning will tell you that is exactly when you should be running the ball and eating up clock. Yet Garrett is calling pass plays and romo is turning the ball over allowing other teams to steal games from them. That or as ive seen mentioned during games, Garrett actually does call runs late in the game and romo, being an idiot, audibles to a pass.

Also, Rob Ryan never coached in Cinci, it was Cleveland, yet i am the casual uninformed fan. The guy has had players to coach, his scheme just sucks. You were practically "forced" to hire him because he was the only 3-4 D-Coordinater available that had any experience in that role. Your defense failed under him last year, and Wade Phillips defense in Houston thrived while learning the 3-4 from scratch and they also had no offseason from the lockout, so thats no excuse for Rob Ryan...

If even Miles Austins hamstring is a different leg, its still a recurring problem with him. and if it is a different leg, then thats probably even worse of a problem. an overrated WR with two bum hammys is worse than one bum hammy...

Also after watching the game last night, your oline appears to be worse than the Redskins, and the Skins have been hit hard with injuries along the line as well. RG3 didnt get touched with 3 backups starting against a formidable dline of the bills, yet last night i see tommy kelly throwing romo around like a rag doll. and your oline getting no push in the run game...

Murray didnt even start until week 9. He got injured in week 14 and only rushed 25 yards in that game. So amongst the short time as a starter and sharing the ball going from 3rd string to 2nd string to starter he still managed 897 yards. Are you kidding me? Im not saying he is Arian Foster but he isnt overrated. He is a good Running back. With the starting position from week 1 he will do great this year. Stop looking at the star on his helmet and see him for a player, dont just hate on his talent because he is a Cowboy.

I dont overlook team issues just because I am Cowboys homer. If you had originally mentioned the O line i would have agreed with you. It is beyond horrible and I am nervous as hell about the season because of it. Like you said you were born hating the Cowboys so you will never acknowledge any players talent on the team. Your right, stats dont always tell the full story BUT they dont lie. Any QB that has similar completion%, passer rating, TD and INT's as a QB like Tom Brady cant be bad is all im saying. I am not saying he is as good as Brady or comparing them against eachother. I am using Brady as a referance to Romo's talent. Or do you still not understand? The untimely INT's are a killer i agree. Doesnt make him a choker though. I agree he can make better decisions but every QB makes bad decisions. I dont know why I am trying to help you understand. If he threw no INT's and 60 TD's you would still come up with something negative to say because at the end of the day he plays for Dallas.

Excuse my error. I meant cleveland not Cinci. Wade Phillips was the D coordinator in 2010 when the Cowboys were ranked 31st in the league for team Defense. So dont act like Phillips was working here and Ryan came in and it suddenly sucked. Ryans D was ranked better last year than Phillips D the year before. So what point does that prove? Nothing except what i mentioned previously. Its not always the coach. You cant make a defense work with no talent.

The definition of recurring is "occur again". If his right leg was originally hurt and then he injured his left this would not be a recurring problem. For a problem to re occur it would have to occur in the first place. Last time i checked you have 2 seperate legs. Reguardless, I agree. I have not seen enough out of Austin to call him a good WR just yet. He needs to stay healthy for more than just 1 yr. We will see this year.

Here are some fun skins v boys stats just for you sir.

Cowboys have finished above your skins in the NFC East every year since 06.

Since 2000 your skins have had only 2 winning seasons.

Skins regular season record all time is 552-527-27. Cowboys all time record 448-332-6.

Cowboys have won 5 out of 8 superbowls. Skins have won 3 out of 5.

Since you are such a Cowboys hater I would just like to let you know that at the end of the season requardless of who wins the superbowl, the Cowboys are still a more winning and better franchise than your Redskins. Dallas is Americas team. Goodnight.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Red Earth and Packman89, you two are cracking me up. I love this diehard mentality, I truely do. Now you two need two need to road trip with me to watch some football this year.

Also everyone knows that the Raiders (regardless of last night) are superior in all respects to the redskins and the cowboys. The last 10 haven't been that great but since we are talking past look at the record from creation of team to now. Now let's all just agree the Raiders are the better team of the three and be done with it.

BLACK AND SILVER FOR LIFE

RAIDER NATION TIL I DIE

[tipptruck1]

Red Earth and Packman89, you two are cracking me up. I love this diehard mentality, I truely do. Now you two need two need to road trip with me to watch some football this year.

Also everyone knows that the Raiders (regardless of last night) are superior in all respects to the redskins and the cowboys. The last 10 haven't been that great but since we are talking past look at the record from creation of team to now. Now let's all just agree the Raiders are the better team of the three and be done with it.

BLACK AND SILVER FOR LIFE

RAIDER NATION TIL I DIE

Really I can think of two teams that are better. In tearms of history. Packers and steelers.

[Hyrule Bass]

Murray didnt even start until week 9. He got injured in week 14 and only rushed 25 yards in that game. So amongst the short time as a starter and sharing the ball going from 3rd string to 2nd string to starter he still managed 897 yards. Are you kidding me? Im not saying he is Arian Foster but he isnt overrated. He is a good Running back. With the starting position from week 1 he will do great this year. Stop looking at the star on his helmet and see him for a player, dont just hate on his talent because he is a Cowboy.

None of that changes the fact that Murray still isnt a scoring threat. He still has to prove he can stay healthy and carry the load. Both of these are currently facts at this moment, you cant argue them. Could he prove me wrong in the future? sure. It has nothing to do with him just having a star on his helmet. It goes beyond that. I admitted to hating the cowboys, but that has not been the basis of my argument. Ive stated facts to support my position and opinions...

I dont overlook team issues just because I am Cowboys homer. If you had originally mentioned the O line i would have agreed with you. It is beyond horrible and I am nervous as hell about the season because of it. Like you said you were born hating the Cowboys so you will never acknowledge any players talent on the team. Your right, stats dont always tell the full story BUT they dont lie. Any QB that has similar completion%, passer rating, TD and INT's as a QB like Tom Brady cant be bad is all im saying. I am not saying he is as good as Brady or comparing them against eachother. I am using Brady as a referance to Romo's talent. Or do you still not understand? The untimely INT's are a killer i agree. Doesnt make him a choker though. I agree he can make better decisions but every QB makes bad decisions. I dont know why I am trying to help you understand. If he threw no INT's and 60 TD's you would still come up with something negative to say because at the end of the day he plays for Dallas.

WRONG!!! Now youre really turning this into something its not. Like i said above "I admitted to hating the cowboys, but that has not been the basis of my argument. Ive stated facts to support my position and opinions." Tell me one thing i said that is 100% blatantly false or isnt widely open for debate just for the sake of trashing the cowboys because i hate them. Youre really stretching here to defend your team. There are Cowboys players i respect on the field, Romo isnt one of them. And of course youre not comparing Romo and Brady against each other, because then you would be contrasting, not comparing. Their stats could be exactly the same and it doesnt matter, one QB lead his team to the Super Bowl, the other QB couldnt even lead his team to the playoffs. I understand perfectly, youre reaching so hard to defend Romo that youre throwing out a pretty ridiculous scenario about him being similar to Tom Brady, thats pretty laughable.

Excuse my error. I meant cleveland not Cinci. Wade Phillips was the D coordinator in 2010 when the Cowboys were ranked 31st in the league for team Defense. So dont act like Phillips was working here and Ryan came in and it suddenly sucked. Ryans D was ranked better last year than Phillips D the year before. So what point does that prove? Nothing except what i mentioned previously. Its not always the coach. You cant make a defense work with no talent.

Phillips was taxed with managing the whole team, Ryan only runs the defense. Plus players tuned out Phillips at the end, they will do the same to Garrett in a couple years. Also dont act like you have no talent because you do. You have Ware, Lee, and Ratliff. Ware is perhaps the most dominant defensive player in the league, lol at no talent

The definition of recurring is "occur again". If his right leg was originally hurt and then he injured his left this would not be a recurring problem. For a problem to re occur it would have to occur in the first place. Last time i checked you have 2 seperate legs. Reguardless, I agree. I have not seen enough out of Austin to call him a good WR just yet. He needs to stay healthy for more than just 1 yr. We will see this year.

semantics. im done talking about austin. just another overrated cowboy player

Here are some fun skins v boys stats just for you sir.

Cowboys have finished above your skins in the NFC East every year since 06.

Since 2000 your skins have had only 2 winning seasons.

Skins regular season record all time is 552-527-27. Cowboys all time record 448-332-6.

Cowboys have won 5 out of 8 superbowls. Skins have won 3 out of 5.

You may have finished above us, but you still only have 1 playoff win in that time since 2006.

2 winning seasons, yet just as many playoff wins as the cowboys.

Skins been around a lot longer than the cowpukes, that stat means nothing otherwise.

you may have more super bowls, but you also lost more super bowls. Plus skins have championships from before the superbowl era. plus the cowboys had to blackmail the skins just to get a team to begin with.

Since you are such a Cowboys hater I would just like to let you know that at the end of the season requardless of who wins the superbowl, the Cowboys are still a more winning and better franchise than your Redskins. Dallas is Americas team. Goodnight.

LOL at that americas team BS. enough, just stop it please. this is about the Cowboys and their current team. you are 1) trying to make it about the redskins, and 2) past cowboys history has nothing to do with the current team. nice try with the diversion tactic. dont let espn hype you up too much with their unwarranted cowboys hype like every year...

[Jake P]

None of that changes the fact that Murray still isnt a scoring threat. He still has to prove he can stay healthy and carry the load. Both of these are currently facts at this moment, you cant argue them. Could he prove me wrong in the future? sure. It has nothing to do with him just having a star on his helmet. It goes beyond that. I admitted to hating the cowboys, but that has not been the basis of my argument. Ive stated facts to support my position and opinions...

WRONG!!! Now youre really turning this into something its not. Like i said above "I admitted to hating the cowboys, but that has not been the basis of my argument. Ive stated facts to support my position and opinions." Tell me one thing i said that is 100% blatantly false or isnt widely open for debate just for the sake of trashing the cowboys because i hate them. Youre really stretching here to defend your team. There are Cowboys players i respect on the field, Romo isnt one of them. And of course youre not comparing Romo and Brady against each other, because then you would be contrasting, not comparing. Their stats could be exactly the same and it doesnt matter, one QB lead his team to the Super Bowl, the other QB couldnt even lead his team to the playoffs. I understand perfectly, youre reaching so hard to defend Romo that youre throwing out a pretty ridiculous scenario about him being similar to Tom Brady, thats pretty laughable.

Phillips was taxed with managing the whole team, Ryan only runs the defense. Plus players tuned out Phillips at the end, they will do the same to Garrett in a couple years. Also dont act like you have no talent because you do. You have Ware, Lee, and Ratliff. Ware is perhaps the most dominant defensive player in the league, lol at no talent

semantics. im done talking about austin. just another overrated cowboy player

You may have finished above us, but you still only have 1 playoff win in that time since 2006.

2 winning seasons, yet just as many playoff wins as the cowboys.

Skins been around a lot longer than the cowpukes, that stat means nothing otherwise.

you may have more super bowls, but you also lost more super bowls. Plus skins have championships from before the superbowl era. plus the cowboys had to blackmail the skins just to get a team to begin with.

LOL at that americas team BS. enough, just stop it please. this is about the Cowboys and their current team. you are 1) trying to make it about the redskins, and 2) past cowboys history has nothing to do with the current team. nice try with the diversion tactic. dont let espn hype you up too much with their unwarranted cowboys hype like every year...

Thats all I was wanting to hear from you about Murray.I will shut up now.

I guess I worded the "no talent" point wrong. Obviously we have defensive playmakers. We need secondary playmakers, which i feel we have now in carr, church and claiborne. I assumed I didnt have to point out Ware and Lee or i would have said besides those 2, we dont have talent.

I wasnt trying a diversion tactic, I just thought you would like to hear some NFL history my friend. And dont worry, I dont watch espn. Only for highlights in the morning before work. I listen to local team coverage, no need for ESPN. Im done with the back and forth crap. We will never see eye to eye. Just be happy football is back and be ready for november 22nd sir!

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Really I can think of two teams that are better. In tearms of history. Packers and steelers.

I dunno Raiders and Steelers used to go at it back in the 70s. True Steelers won more championships back then. Which n the scheme of things is what really matters. Blow for blow though that's a tough one. Raiders peaked in

the late 70s early 80s as far as playing against the Steelers. Still though when Madden was coaching them the Raiders were a force to be reckoned with. Playing against one another the raiders have a one game lead in regular season games. I will agree with you that as of late the Steelers are the better team. I still think that history wise the Raiders have the edge.

Packers I will have to look into. I've never followed them nor really paid much attention to them. So I really can't even try to refute this without doing a little digging. I will get back to you on them

[Hyrule Bass]

Just thought you cowboys fans would like to know that your best player on offense is out the rest of preseason and possibly beyond. Jason Witten has a spleen injury and suffered internal bleeding after a hit he took in the raiders game. Its not yet known if he will need surgery, its possible he wont, but hasnt been ruled out...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/15/witten-out-at-least-for-rest-of-preseason-with-spleen-injury/

also, Packman89, thanks for the debate. youre right, we probably wont see eye to eye on much there. Sorry if it seemed like i was attacking you at times, its nothing personal, sometimes i get pretty fierce when debating football. I cant wait till Thanksgiving day...

[Hyrule Bass]

I dunno Raiders and Steelers used to go at it back in the 70s. True Steelers won more championships back then. Which n the scheme of things is what really matters. Blow for blow though that's a tough one. Raiders peaked in

the late 70s early 80s as far as playing against the Steelers. Still though when Madden was coaching them the Raiders were a force to be reckoned with. Playing against one another the raiders have a one game lead in regular season games. I will agree with you that as of late the Steelers are the better team. I still think that history wise the Raiders have the edge.

Packers I will have to look into. I've never followed them nor really paid much attention to them. So I really can't even try to refute this without doing a little digging. I will get back to you on them

History wise, some teams with great histories have failed to been mentioned. The Redskins have a long history, as do the Giants, both having been around since the 30s. Also the Bears have a great history too. Looking back at the Redskins history, i have to throw Sammy Baugh out there as the greatest NFL Player ever in history. The guy did it all on the field and still holds records from the 30s and 40s.

Your boy Shane Lechler almost took the punting average record from him a couple years ago. Yeah, Baugh was not only a Quarterback, but a punter and played in the defensive secondary. Only guy in NFL history to throw 4 TD passes in one game and intercept 4 passes in the same game. No way you will see that happen in todays NFL. The guy was tough as nails...

[Jake P]

Just thought you cowboys fans would like to know that your best player on offense is out the rest of preseason and possibly beyond. Jason Witten has a spleen injury and suffered internal bleeding after a hit he took in the raiders game. Its not yet known if he will need surgery, its possible he wont, but hasnt been ruled out...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/15/witten-out-at-least-for-rest-of-preseason-with-spleen-injury/

also, Packman89, thanks for the debate. youre right, we probably wont see eye to eye on much there. Sorry if it seemed like i was attacking you at times, its nothing personal, sometimes i get pretty fierce when debating football. I cant wait till Thanksgiving day...

I heard Last night......I'm looking over free agent tight ends now and nothing is looking good so far....

[tipptruck1]

Packers I will have to look into. I've never followed them nor really paid much attention to them. So I really can't even try to refute this without doing a little digging. I will get back to you on them

Raider I will do the digging for you. The packers are the second or third oldest football team that is still active. They won 13 league championships pre super bowl. Then they go on and win 4 super bowls. Yea they had some bad years. But in the last 19 years. They have only missed the playoffs three times. If it wasn't for Brett. They could have won at lest 2 more super bowls.

[Hyrule Bass]

LOL Brett Favre is a huge part of why the Packers went to the playoffs so much in the last 19 years. I doubt they go that often without him...

[tipptruck1]

Well Brett threw a lot of ints. In the games that mattered. After watching him throw one to many Ints costing the packers trips to the super bowls. Then living In WI post Brett. Made me really hate the guy. You guys thought espn was bad with what happened after he retired the first and sceond time. Then when he got hurt a few years ago. It was every were here. The whole way it was treated is why I really do not care any more about pro sports.

I Think Rodgers is doing a great job. Compared to what Brett had. I do not think he will match Brett's numbers in the end. But I think he will have a career in green bay.

[Hyrule Bass]

he threw more interceptions than anyone ever in the game, but he also threw a ton of TDs too. You can hate him all you want, but its tough to deny that he also helped them get all those wins over the years...