Gunman Opens Fire In Colorado Theater

[Stasher1]

I'm as pro-gun as they come, but this dosn't make sense. We have the right to bear arms, but a property owner dosn't have the right to tell you to stay off of their property if you are armed? That's an infringement on their rights as a landowner. If a resturant (for example) says "no firearms allowed" I should either abide by their rules or go eat somewhere else.

The state of GA says I can carry anywhere in the state, with a few exceptions. Propert owners have the right to make whatever rules they choose regarding the carrying of firearms on their proprty, but their rules don't carry the weight of law.

When/if the property owner realizes you're carrying a firearm, they can ask you to leave. If you fail to comply, you can be cited for trespassing, but that's for failing to comply with the owner's request for you to leave their property, not for violating their rules regarding firearm possession.

2010 Georgia Code

TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES

CHAPTER 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY

ARTICLE 4 - DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES

PART 3 - CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

§ 16-11-127 - Carrying weapons in unauthorized locations; penalty

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O.C.G.A. 16-11-127 (2010)

16-11-127. Carrying weapons in unauthorized locations; penalty

(a) As used in this Code section, the term:

(1) "Bar" means an establishment that is devoted to the serving of alcoholic beverages for consumption by guests on the premises and in which the serving of food is only incidental to the consumption of those beverages, including, but not limited to, taverns, nightclubs, cocktail lounges, and cabarets.

(2) "Courthouse" means a building occupied by judicial courts and containing rooms in which judicial proceedings are held.

(3) "Government building" means:

(A) The building in which a government entity is housed;

( B ) The building where a government entity meets in its official capacity; provided, however, that if such building is not a publicly owned building, such building shall be considered a government building for the purposes of this Code section only during the time such government entity is meeting at such building; or

© The portion of any building that is not a publicly owned building that is occupied by a government entity.

(4) "Government entity" means an office, agency, authority, department, commission, board, body, division, instrumentality, or institution of the state or any county, municipal corporation, consolidated government, or local board of education within this state.

(5) "Parking facility" means real property owned or leased by a government entity, courthouse, jail, prison, place of worship, or bar that has been designated by such government entity, courthouse, jail, prison, place of worship, or bar for the parking of motor vehicles at a government building or at such courthouse, jail, prison, place of worship, or bar.

( B ) A person shall be guilty of carrying a weapon or long gun in an unauthorized location and punished as for a misdemeanor when he or she carries a weapon or long gun while:

(1) In a government building;

(2) In a courthouse;

(3) In a jail or prison;

(4) In a place of worship;

(5) In a state mental health facility as defined in Code Section 37-1-1 which admits individuals on an involuntary basis for treatment of mental illness, developmental disability, or addictive disease; provided, however, that carrying a weapon or long gun in such location in a manner in compliance with paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of this Code section shall not constitute a violation of this subsection;

(6) In a bar, unless the owner of the bar permits the carrying of weapons or long guns by license holders;

(7) On the premises of a nuclear power facility, except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.2, and the punishment provisions of Code Section 16-11-127.2 shall supersede the punishment provisions of this Code section; or

( 8 ) Within 150 feet of any polling place, except as provided in subsection (i) of Code Section 21-2-413.

© Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a license holder or person recognized under subsection (e) of Code Section 16-11-126 shall be authorized to carry a weapon as provided in Code Section 16-11-135 and in every location in this state not listed in subsection ( B ) of this Code section; provided, however, that private property owners or persons in legal control of property through a lease, rental agreement, licensing agreement, contract, or any other agreement to control access to such property shall have the right to forbid possession of a weapon or long gun on their property, except as provided in Code Section 16-11-135. A violation of subsection ( B ) of this Code section shall not create or give rise to a civil action for damages.

(d) Subsection ( B ) of this Code section shall not apply:

(1) To the use of weapons or long guns as exhibits in a legal proceeding, provided such weapons or long guns are secured and handled as directed by the personnel providing courtroom security or the judge hearing the case;

(2) To a license holder who approaches security or management personnel upon arrival at a location described in subsection ( B ) of this Code section and notifies such security or management personnel of the presence of the weapon or long gun and explicitly follows the security or management personnel's direction for removing, securing, storing, or temporarily surrendering such weapon or long gun; and

(3) To a weapon or long gun possessed by a license holder which is under the possessor's control in a motor vehicle or is in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or one which is in a locked container in or a locked firearms rack which is on a motor vehicle and such vehicle is parked in a parking facility.

[K_Mac]

I will add my opinion to the discussion with the disclaimer that it is worth exactly what you paid for it! While the 2 Amendment was written in a very different time, the idea that the government could severely restrict or prohibit gun ownership would have been unthinkable then. Though many things have changed since, the notion that our government has that right now is antithetical to the principles on which this nation is founded in my opinion.

The claim is often made that allowing law abiding citizens the right to carry will result in rage related gunfights and increased violence. I have never seen any evidence to support this claim. The opposite seems to be true. Would prohibiting gun ownership have prevented the Colorado incident? Looking at the statistics in Europe where guns are very tightly controlled it seems unlikely. We live in a violent world and taking away my guns will not change that.

That the government will be able to protect me from all evil is a nice idea, but the evidence does not support that either IMO. I am responsible for my own safety in many situations. Having a handgun in my boat, or a shotgun in my home may make some uncomfortable. I understand. Not having them would make me uncomfortable. I am no threat to anyone other than those who would do me harm. I have no problem with background checks and proficiency testing, as long as that is not a ploy to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

One other hot-button topic is, "assault weapons". The truth is an assault weapon has a very specific definition that has been widely ignored by those who would promote an anti-gun agenda. Unless it is an intermediate power weapon capable of select fire it is not an assault weapon. While that may make little difference to some, it muddies the water in any legitimate discussion of gun ownership and legal limits.

[MarkH024]

I live in IL. I'm a sitting duck.

Ditto