Deer Rifle

[bigbill]

I did shoot in a local gun club in competition as a 12yo kid. I had an old gunnery sarg hammer on me to get my breathing down before I shoot. You line up the sights on the bulls eye. Take one deep breath and let it out, take a second deep breath and let it halfway out, hold and shoot. You will notice the sights stay much steadier.

My '72 Mossberg 30-06 bolt action has over 700 rounds put threw it by me. I stayed with it. I reload a tad below max load. It's a milder load but more accurate. She will shoot nickel(5 cent) 5 shot groups all day long with my reloads.

The first time out with the 338wm the only difference was it had a tad more recoil over the 30-06. After I sighted in the scope my last two shots took the x out of the target. The newer 338's of today have a tad more power.

Let's face it how many hunters put 700 rounds thru there 30-06 hunting rifles.

I was at the local range with my 1907 Swede Carl Gustaf m96 6,5mm mauser shooting it with iron sights, no scope. I didn't know there were some SWAT guys practicing a few benches away from me. They seen my target and came over to see what I was shooting that was so accurate at 100yds. When I told them it was a 100yo Swede mauser there jaws dropped.

They told me they had SWAT rifles with scopes that weren't that accurate. I was shooting 1 1/2" groups at 100yds benchrested using new 131gr SP seller & bellot ammo. Of course the Swedish 6,5mm mauser is one of the most accurate military rifles there is. It's really like sending a ringer into a competition. Plus I was shooting for accuracy that day after sighting it in from meters to yards for deer hunting. It had a 200yds military zero so I purchased the higher front sight to file it down till she hit the x ring at 100yds. Most military rifles from that era have 200 to 300 meter zeroes with there iron sights. They can shoot 4" high at 100yds. There only meant to be accurate for minute of man sized targets for war at the longest distances.

The most famous Finnish sniper of WW 2 perfered a Finnish m27 mosin rifle with no scope.

I'm still not as good of a shot that my older brother was. I couldn't ever come close to him. My oldest son shoots just like him.

You can be as good as you want to be just practice, more practice and more practice.

[bigbill]

A bears skull is really thick and I been told that BULLETS will only bounce off it.

I did bump up from a 30-06 to a 338wm to do a special fly in hunt someday.

[clayton86]

I did shoot in a local gun club in competition as a 12yo kid. I had an old gunnery sarg hammer on me to get my breathing down before I shoot. You line up the sights on the bulls eye. Take one deep breath and let it out, take a second deep breath and let it halfway out, hold and shoot. You will notice the sights stay much steadier.

My '72 Mossberg 30-06 bolt action has over 700 rounds put threw it by me. I stayed with it. I reload a tad below max load. It's a milder load but more accurate. She will shoot nickel(5 cent) 5 shot groups all day long with my reloads.

The first time out with the 338wm the only difference was it had a tad more recoil over the 30-06. After I sighted in the scope my last two shots took the x out of the target. The newer 338's of today have a tad more power.

Let's face it how many hunters put 700 rounds thru there 30-06 hunting rifles.

I was at the local range with my 1907 Swede Carl Gustaf m96 6,5mm mauser shooting it with one sights, no scope. I didn't know there were some SWAT guys practicing a few benches away from me. They seen my target and came over to see what I was shooting that was so accurate at 100yds. When I told them it was a 100yo Swede mauser there jaws dropped.

They told me they had SWAT rifles with scopes that weren't that accurate. I was shooting 1 1/2" groups at 100yds benchrested using new 131gr SP seller & bellot ammo. Of course the Swedish 6,5mm mauser is one of the most accurate military rifles there is. It's really like sending a ringer into a competition. Plus I was shooting for accuracy that day after sighting it in from meters to yards for deer hunting. It had a 200yds military zero so I purchased the higher front sight to file it down till she hit the x ring at 100yds. Most military rifles from that era have 200 to 300 meter zeroes with there iron sights. They can shoot 4" high at 100yds. There only meant to be accurate for minute of man sized targets for war at the longest distances.

The most famous Finnish sniper of WW 2 perfered a Finnish m27 mosin rifle with no scope.

I'm still not as good of a shot that my older brother was. I couldn't ever come close to him. My oldest son shoots just like him.

You can be as good as you want to be just practice, more practice and more practice.

Wait your 1.5" groups were better then some of the swat guys groups!?!?!? That's pathetic for swat I'm sorry. My cheap marlin xs7 groups well under a MOA.

Your 72' 30-06 only has 700 rounds threw it thats still brand new thats not a whole lot of shooting its 17 ends a year just barely broke in.

1.5" for surplus weapons is ok considering they were mass produced at a high rate to just put lead down range but I would NEVER take one hunting 1.5" at 100 gun doesn't get used much. All my hunting rifles are MOA or better that way when I miss or make a bad shot its on me not "oh the gun is off or not that accurate"

[bigbill]

Some newer bolt action rifles aren't that accurate nowadays. At one time shooting 1 1/2" groups were acceptable by the gun manufacturers now there saying 2" groups are acceptable when anyone complains about the accuracy.

Not all the new rifles are accurate will different brands of ammo. My 30-06 isn't accurate at all with any brand of new ammo. I ended up reloading for it. Then it shot nickel sized groups ever since.

My 338wm was also not shooting tight groups with new remington ammo. When I tried the Winchester super X ammo the group's became a one holer at 100yds. I did purchase the dies to reload for it but why reload if it's that accurate with the Winchester super x ammo. So I stocked up on it back then for $24 a box. I think it's near $70 per box. I think I have 10 boxes of super x ammo left. It surprised me to see new ammo that accurate.

Out of all my new rifles the only one that's accurate with remington ammo is my 444 marlin. Go figure.

I'm thinking the SWAT guys weren't trying different brands of ammo.

My 30-06 was so bad at shooting groups I ran some military surplus FMJsteel jacket ammo thru it to remove any burrs in the rifling. When this happens it's called break in time. This is a 1972 mossberg not a newer one. After the steel jacket ammo ran thru it the reloads brought the accuracy right on the money. Back then this rifle was $172 with a scope. I should of purchased more. BB

[bigbill]

I like a .270, because thats what I started out with. I went out a little over a year ago, and bought a Savage .30-06 with the "accu-trigger". Its a good gun. Took it out mid season last year, and layed down three of em.

I been thinking of getting a 30-06 savage for my youngest son. BB

[Capt.Bob]

Big game is all bow, or handgun for me, if I use a firearm it's 45 cal all the way!!! I love em. The encore will do under 3/4" at 100 yards any day, I have shot some groups w/ 2x7x scope at 200 under 1 1/2". If open country and shots can be over 200 yards, I use the 460 encore.

Most times in the timber when I am expecting shots under 200 yards, I take the revolver, my Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter will keep em under 2 1/2" at 100 yards. One hole at 35 yards with 250 grain self cast slugs, or 340 grain self cast slugs.

I prefer the Gale Force, have taken one deer each of the past 2 seasons with firearms, and have limited out the past 3 years with all but those two deer taken with the Bow. This year I will most likely only take 6 deer and probably just use the bow, up close and personal!!

[jbsoonerfan]

That's not a bow, that's a cross bow. Big difference.

[basshavoc]

.270 or .243

[clayton86]

That's not a bow, that's a cross bow. Big difference.

Agreed

[Capt.Bob]

That's not a bow, that's a cross bow. Big difference.

 

 

Agreed

Yep that's not a bow it's a crossbow, compound bow, long bow. recurve bow, traditional bow, a bow is a bow!!! that is as much a bow as anything you find with a string on it, that is why all archery shops have em, and why like every other type of bow,,,,,,,there all called bow's!! that is about like saying a spining reel isn't a reel, a baitcaster is a reel. Sorry guy's it's all Archery Equipment, which makes it a bow!!! There all up close and personal!! I thought everyone new that???  

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Yep that's not a bow it's a crossbow, compound bow, long bow. recurve bow, traditional bow, a bow is a bow!!! that is as much a bow as anything you find with a string on it, that is why all archery shops have em, and why like every other type of bow,,,,,,,there all called bow's!! that is about like saying a spining reel isn't a reel, a baitcaster is a reel. Sorry guy's it's all Archery Equipment, which makes it a bow!!! There all up close and personal!! I thought everyone new that???

I can agree with you partially. It is a bow mounted to a stick with a trigger on it. Having strings, risers or limbs, cams or not. It can classify as a bow. It is a type of archery. Not necessarily what most people think of at first but still a bow nonetheless.

However, along those same lines a Ballista could be considered a bow as well.

[Capt.Bob]

I can agree with you partially. It is a bow mounted to a stick with a trigger on it. Having strings, risers or limbs, cams or not. It can classify as a bow. It is a type of archery. Not necessarily what most people think of at first but still a bow nonetheless.

However, along those same lines a Ballista could be considered a bow as well.

Yep, just falls outside the guidelines set for legal archery equipment, for whitetail in most states, and even unhandier than the crossbow!! If we had choices, after 30+ years hunting with nothing but Hoyts,,,,, I wouldn't handicap myself with anything but a Hoyt, but three years ago after 20 years of fighting the switch, because of a 42 foot fall as an Iron Worker in 1991, on the job, and 11 busted vertebrae I had to give it up or quit hunting, they'll probably find me in a stand some day while I continue my hunts in the promised hunting grounds!!  Till then nI'll be in my Timber Tall, nock'n em down and stack'n em up!!!!

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Yep, just falls outside the guidelines set for legal archery equipment, for whitetail in most states, and even unhandier than the crossbow!! If we had choices, after 30+ years hunting with nothing but Hoyts,,,,, I wouldn't handicap myself with anything but a Hoyt, but three years ago after 20 years of fighting the switch, because of a 42 foot fall as an Iron Worker in 1991, on the job, and 11 busted vertebrae I had to give it up or quit hunting, they'll probably find me in a stand some day while I continue my hunts in the promised hunting grounds!!  Till then nI'll be in my Timber Tall, nock'n em down and stack'n em up!!!!

d**n it boy! That sucks! I ain't think you Sky Cowboys ever fell.

I can definitely see why you would have to switch to a crossbow. Keep on dropping them brother!