ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I have an abu garcia revo premier with a duckett medium micro magic rod 7'. Recently when the line on my spool begins to run low I lose all my ability to cast at a distance and if I really try to throw my bait far sometimes the spool makes a loud buzzing sound and cuts the line. I keep my premier in great shape and losing the ability to cast far with a low amount of line makes sense because the line is peeling off a smaller circumference and slapping against the micro guides. However, I can't figure out why its cutting my line. The drag and break are not set too high. Is this something that is normal or possibly a defect in the reel? Thanks for reading. Quote
Chattahoochee Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 What type of line. If it is F/C perhaps the line didn't lay on spool correctly and subsequent loops cut it. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 What type of line. If it is F/C perhaps the line didn't lay on spool correctly and subsequent loops cut it. Its trilene big game 10# This happened once when I was running low on line. I re-spooled and had no issues until the line was running low a second time. Quote
Super User BASSclary Posted July 16, 2012 Super User Posted July 16, 2012 Check the bottom of the line guide for wear. When you really try and throw your bait you might be getting really un-noticeable backlashes that can cut your line. That being said, just keep your reel full of line so it doesn't happen. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 Check the bottom of the line guide for wear. When you really try and throw your bait you might be getting really un-noticeable backlashes that can cut your line. That being said, just keep your reel full of line so it doesn't happen. I checked the line guide and it looks/feels fine. Is having a low amount of line something that can cause the line to snap/cut like that? Or are you as confused as me? :/ Quote
Super User Sam Posted July 16, 2012 Super User Posted July 16, 2012 The Big Game is a monofiliment line. You may want to try the Trilene 100% Flourocarbon, or another flourocarbon line, to note how it performs. Check out "Weaknesses" on the following site: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewtrilenebg.html Do you think the line twist is causing the line to fail via unnoticed nicks and cuts? Are you running your thumb nail along the line now and then checking for nicks, cuts and cracks? Do you have mini-backlashes or the line piling up on the spool when you cast? Here is a trick you may want to use to try to stop any backlashes and therefore the line being cut: Go outside with your rig ready to go and balanced with the rod and bait and cast as far as you can. Then take two arm lenghts of line off the spool and place Scotch tape or electrical tape strips across the remaing line on the spool. You may want to use two or three strips on top of each other to make sure the tape remains in place. Then you are set to go fishing and if you do get a backlash it will go only as far as the tape. Another tip is to take a Q-Tip and run it around every line guide. If any of the cotton sticks to any line guide or you feel a pinch then the line guide has a chip in it and the line guide is damaging your line. And how old is your line? Older line has a tendency to break off so please change your line every two weeks or after fishing in structure. There should not be anything on the Revo to cut your line other than for a backlash and you not removing the backlash properly. Give the above suggestions a try and let us know what happens. Good luck. Quote
Super User Sam Posted July 16, 2012 Super User Posted July 16, 2012 By the way, if you are allowing your line on the spool to get to the end the line will twist as it is tighter on the reel and has had a lot of pressure on it from the amout of line you started with. Maybe you are spooling your line too tightly onto the spool? Just another thought. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 The Big Game is a monofiliment line. You may want to try the Trilene 100% Flourocarbon, or another flourocarbon line, to note how it performs. Check out "Weaknesses" on the following site: http://www.tackletou...wtrilenebg.html Do you think the line twist is causing the line to fail via unnoticed nicks and cuts? Are you running your thumb nail along the line now and then checking for nicks, cuts and cracks? Do you have mini-backlashes or the line piling up on the spool when you cast? Here is a trick you may want to use to try to stop any backlashes and therefore the line being cut: Go outside with your rig ready to go and balanced with the rod and bait and cast as far as you can. Then take two arm lenghts of line off the spool and place Scotch tape or electrical tape strips across the remaing line on the spool. You may want to use two or three strips on top of each other to make sure the tape remains in place. Then you are set to go fishing and if you do get a backlash it will go only as far as the tape. Another tip is to take a Q-Tip and run it around every line guide. If any of the cotton sticks to any line guide or you feel a pinch then the line guide has a chip in it and the line guide is damaging your line. And how old is your line? Older line has a tendency to break off so please change your line every two weeks or after fishing in structure. There should not be anything on the Revo to cut your line other than for a backlash and you not removing the backlash properly. Give the above suggestions a try and let us know what happens. Good luck. I have noticed mini backlashes kinking the line and some of the snaps have resulted from pulling the backlashed line out. This probably is what is snapping later on. The line I bought is about a year old. I do replace it regularly. I will go buy some fresh line and spool that on this time since I am obviously in need of more now. Thanks for the help. I will do the scotch tape trick as well as check the guides/reel with a q tip. I do think its isolated to the reel though because it never occurs along the guides but instead at the reel itself. Thanks for the help! I use trilene vanish fluorocarbon on my finesse spinning rod. However, I have read that fluorocarbon is something to be used as a liter because it becomes brittle from sun exposure and has a lot of memory. Is this correct? Also, I use this bait caster for topwater although it does serve other purposes so mono was what I assumed would be useful. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 By the way, if you are allowing your line on the spool to get to the end the line will twist as it is tighter on the reel and has had a lot of pressure on it from the amout of line you started with. Maybe you are spooling your line too tightly onto the spool? Just another thought. When I spool I only apply a pinch of pressure on the line but I'll lessen that pressure this next time around. I hope this is my own error and not the reel. It luckily is all still under warranty. Quote
Super User BASSclary Posted July 16, 2012 Super User Posted July 16, 2012 I have noticed mini backlashes kinking the line and some of the snaps have resulted from pulling the backlashed line out. This probably is what is snapping later on. The line I bought is about a year old. I do replace it regularly. I will go buy some fresh line and spool that on this time since I am obviously in need of more now. Thanks for the help. I will do the scotch tape trick as well as check the guides/reel with a q tip. I do think its isolated to the reel though because it never occurs along the guides but instead at the reel itself. Thanks for the help! I use trilene vanish fluorocarbon on my finesse spinning rod. However, I have read that fluorocarbon is something to be used as a liter because it becomes brittle from sun exposure and has a lot of memory. Is this correct? Also, I use this bait caster for topwater although it does serve other purposes so mono was what I assumed would be useful. Not trying to sound like a D**k here, but Vanish is terrible line, and almost everyone here will agree to that. Fluorocarbon to my understanding though is not affected by sunlight the monofilament is. I leave mine on all season. However, fluoro knots do become brittle and I recommend you re-tie every trip. Fluoro does have more memory, but its easily alleviated by using a quality line such as Seaguar InvizX or any other decent brand name. KVD Line and Lure conditioner also helps. I know its hard to ditch $10 line but trust me its worth it. If your going to be using your casting setup for topwater, mono would be the best choice according to most people. Braid also floats, so that may be a more viable option if you also use that setup for jigs and texas rigs, and is what I would do IMO. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 Good to know about vanish. It was the first fluoro I've tried mainly because it was cheap and available at walmart. Im going to be making a trip up to the closest bass pro and Ill check out a nice fluoro up there. I do still need to invest in a line conditioner and kvd's has been recommended to me multiple times. The problem with braid is i have to tie on a liter and with micro guides that would make it difficult no? Having a big long liter to cast makes distance a difficult thing to achieve. Thanks for your help bassclary. Quote
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 16, 2012 Super User Posted July 16, 2012 You need to order yourself some YoZuri. That stuff is the bomb. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 17, 2012 Author Posted July 17, 2012 You need to order yourself some YoZuri. That stuff is the bomb. don't do this to me! its a consumers nightmare in the fishing world.. i get bombarded with too many options and I end up overwhelmed and conflicted. then i over think things when making a choice... it gets expensive! ahha Quote
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 17, 2012 Super User Posted July 17, 2012 Its not expensive at all, thats the thing. You can get 600yds for $20 from TW. I use 12# on my 50E that I use almost every day, and Im not afraid to cut line, or retie, because its not going to cost me a fortune to have to respool. Trust me, you wont regret it, and it will save you $ in the long run. If you want a line that you can use for all around fishing, this is it. Quote
Super User Sam Posted July 17, 2012 Super User Posted July 17, 2012 I Pee, it is a "leader" not a "liter." YoZuri has never failed me like other lines. However, you MUST CHECK YOUR LINE AND RETIE as you fish. Run the line over your thumb nail and between your thumb nail and the tip of your index finger. If you feel ANY nicks, cuts, kinks, wear and tear or anything unusual CUT THE LINE and retie. Do this if you are fishing structure or if you get hung up in a tree or bush while casting. Retie your knots after every two or three fish or misses, especially if you are tying a Palamor knot using flourocarbon line. If you do not do this you will lose a fish and a bait. When removing any backlashes out of a baitcaster be very careful not to pull too hard on the line as you can cut it on the reel and never know it until you throw your bait into the wind. Keep all line in your house under temperature controlled conditions and not in the car, boat, shed or garage. If your are comfortable in your home then the line is comfortable in your home. Purcahse a Berkley Spooling Station or the new Line Spooling Machine that was introduced at ICAST and use it to spool your line onto the reel. When spooling your reels use KVD Lure and Line Conditioner or pure silicone sprayed into a wet spot on a wash cloth to clean and treat the line. Run the line throught the wet spot. Also spray the product on the line on the reel after 12 to 15 turns to soak it into the line already on the reel as you spool the line. If you get a serious twist problem with your spinning reels, and you will, DO NOT OPEN THE BAIL! With the BAIL CLOSED, loosen the drag and pull the line off the spool. The twist will clear up and you can then respool the line tightly back onto the spinning rig by running it through your fingers. However, please check for nicks, cuts, scrapes, warps, etc. in the line and if you find any, cut it out. Buy line where they sell a lot of it and there is a good turnover. You do not want line that has been on the shelf for a long time. One last suggestion: take a second baitcaster and spinning reel with you in case either reel fails for whatever reason. You will have a backup and you can change out the reels and continue to fish. Needle nose pliers. Do you take them with you when you go fishing? ALWAYS TAKE NEEDLE NOSE PLIERS TO REMOVE BAITS WITH YOU WHEN YOU GO FISHING. Have fun and don't fall in the water. Quote
Basswhippa Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Revos don't have a wide spool and hence much line capacity, however I would simply just keep my spool filled to at least 1/8" from the end of the spool. That tighten the braking systems slightly and you should be fine. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 17, 2012 Author Posted July 17, 2012 Thanks Sam. I'm always at a place with cover and some sort of structure so thanks for the tips. I always take needle nose pliers I'm not a complete disaster. Quote
ipeeinmywetsuit Posted July 17, 2012 Author Posted July 17, 2012 Its not expensive at all, thats the thing. You can get 600yds for $20 from TW. I use 12# on my 50E that I use almost every day, and Im not afraid to cut line, or retie, because its not going to cost me a fortune to have to respool. Trust me, you wont regret it, and it will save you $ in the long run. If you want a line that you can use for all around fishing, this is it. What kind of Yozuri do you use? The hybrid or fluoro? Quote
Super User BASSclary Posted July 18, 2012 Super User Posted July 18, 2012 Yup. Hybrid is awesome stuff. I use 6# on my 50E. Strong stuff. And unless your going like 20#, 600 yds costs less than $20 Quote
NBR Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 I have used Vanish for years. It is my preferred flouro except for cost and I have had no trouble with it at all. Quote
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