Explain Please

[clayton86]

Ok so iv been bored I had the day off and I have tomorrow off as well so my wheels have been turning in my head and just got done reading another thread bout spinning set ups for wacky rigging and many of you said MXF for throwing lite soft plastics and don't need a big hook set.

Now maybe im wrong probably a good chance I am I over analyze everything and make it more confusing on my self but don't you want the fast action rods for heavy thick hooks and softer slower tips for thinner lighter gauge hooks. Most soft plastics are thrown on thinner light hooks so wouldn't the XF be working against you? or do I have it all back wards. Is it off set by the line XF tip thin hooks but lighter line balances it out?

I know you want a Moderate action for cranks but isn't the theory kinda the same with the lighter hooks on plastics?

Jigs you want a MH or H rod with a F rated tip to drive the thicker hooks home so wouldn't you want the same for say spinner's and buzzbaits they all have thick gauge hooks even the finesse ones but typically they are not thrown on a heavy or fast action rod correct?

Iv read a few articles on the subject but no 2 are the same one recommends one thing the other a different the only thing that's ever consistent it seems is crank bait rods glass and a M/MH-Mod action.

so some one wanna explain please

[NoBassPro]

Well everyone is going to have a different style, and different companies rods feel different, so its going to be hard to get two opinions that are exactly the same. Here's my theory. The faster action and stiffer the rod, the more feel you get from it. So, when fishing bottom baits, jigs and soft plastics, a slightly heavier faster rod helps transmit information better. With both soft plastcs and jigs, you not only have to drive the hood through the fish, but also through a weedguard or plastic usually, and a more flexible rod will absorb much of your hookset. Keep in mind that with spinnerbaits you are usually already retreiving the bait and bass tend to hammer them. The rod is already flexing to some extent when the fish hits, and, imo, they get hit with enough force that they probably usually hook themselves.

[smalljaw67]

Well everyone is going to have a different style, and different companies rods feel different, so its going to be hard to get two opinions that are exactly the same. Here's my theory. The faster action and stiffer the rod, the more feel you get from it. So, when fishing bottom baits, jigs and soft plastics, a slightly heavier faster rod helps transmit information better. With both soft plastcs and jigs, you not only have to drive the hood through the fish, but also through a weedguard or plastic usually, and a more flexible rod will absorb much of your hookset. Keep in mind that with spinnerbaits you are usually already retreiving the bait and bass tend to hammer them. The rod is already flexing to some extent when the fish hits, and, imo, they get hit with enough force that they probably usually hook themselves.

NoBassPro has it right, when it comes to finesse fishing with lighter tackle were sensitivity is needed you will see fast and extra fast actions most of the time, lately some rod manufactures have been going to moderate fast action rods for the same type of rods as a lot of anglers use braid or flouro so the added flex helps compensate for the zero stretch of the braid and limited stretch of the flouro. If you use an extra fast action rod along with braid then your hook set should just be a short quick stroke of the rod and done but if you are one of these people that have to cross their eyes every time you are better off with the moderate fast rod. My buddy use to loose fish all the time with the massive hook sets until he got a rod with a more moderate action, he still has the feel using braid but the flex of the rod keeps him from bending the hook and loosing the fish.

[clayton86]

Im a little slow more often then not with my hook sets and loose a good deal of fish from not setting it hard enough but that's with all my cheap rods that are all MM action bottom of the barrel stuff my veritas nothing escapes usually once I set the hook but I only use it for jigs and Trigs its 7'6"MHF. I fish mostly jigs and weightless plastics the most but want to expand my rod arsenal to start using other baits part of the reason I don't throw other things is because im 2 lazy to cut and re tie if it doesn't work and I feel some of my rods arnt up to par with what I need them to do.

[BASSclary]

IMO, unless your looking at broad ends of the spectrum, action has little to do with hooksets, and people get a little caught up in it. Obviously you want a moderate for cranks with a big sweeping hookset, but with everything else, the fish either hook themselves (Spinnerbaits, swimming lures) or you want a short, quick, hard hookset. With a F, XF, and maybe even a MF that shouldn't really be too big of an issue.

I look at the action two ways: How am I going to cast/present this bait, and how am I going to work this bait. Lets say, big rattle traps, that I want to cast a long way and burn them back to the boat. I would opt for a Mod_Fast tip because it will really load up to launch the lure a looong way, but also when your burning it back and a fish smacks it, it will basically absorb the hit and set the hook. Or let's say your fishing weightless trick worms. You want a really fast tip that can load up with lighter weights, and your going to be working that bait back with small twitches. You want the tip to do that, not absorb the twitches like a slower tip might. Also, you want a to get to the backbone really fast to get the hookset, the XF will get to the backbone the fastest.

I dont know if that made sense to you, but I hope it helped.

[clayton86]

IMO, unless your looking at broad ends of the spectrum, action has little to do with hooksets, and people get a little caught up in it. Obviously you want a moderate for cranks with a big sweeping hookset, but with everything else, the fish either hook themselves (Spinnerbaits, swimming lures) or you want a short, quick, hard hookset. With a F, XF, and maybe even a MF that shouldn't really be too big of an issue.

I look at the action two ways: How am I going to cast/present this bait, and how am I going to work this bait. Lets say, big rattle traps, that I want to cast a long way and burn them back to the boat. I would opt for a Mod_Fast tip because it will really load up to launch the lure a looong way, but also when your burning it back and a fish smacks it, it will basically absorb the hit and set the hook. Or let's say your fishing weightless trick worms. You want a really fast tip that can load up with lighter weights, and your going to be working that bait back with small twitches. You want the tip to do that, not absorb the twitches like a slower tip might. Also, you want a to get to the backbone really fast to get the hookset, the XF will get to the backbone the fastest.

I dont know if that made sense to you, but I hope it helped.

Makes perfect sense to me that's how I always looked at it to but I just started reading everything today and thinking every little detail out im so friggen bored its not even funny. If i can remember and retain everything iv read and watched these past few days iv had off be able to still remember at put it all to use when I get back home id be taking down KVD lol ok maybe not that but I feel like a iv read every article out there on every subject broke down and analyzed it to where and how I fish.