Super User K_Mac Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 I was going to leave this thread alone, but I will add one more thing. RyneB you are doing the exact same thing that you find offensive with the Shimano guys. You feel superior because you use less expensive stuff and then justify this by trying to make the case that the Revo S is as good as the Core. Nonsense. On either extreme the bottom line is the same: I am smarter/better than you based on my purchase decisions. While many of us are guilty of this occasionally (including me) it is just fishing guys.
Super User *Hootie Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 I gotta say, this is getting crazy. Hootie 1
0119 Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 You wont have trouble getting parts from Korea. Pure Fishing doesnt send you back a repaired reel, they send you a replacement reel. Same with Quantum. Shimano will repair your reel, but it'll come back with scratches from the careless repairman. To think of a Shimano as comparable to a 1911...wow. Way too many parts. Many if not most people wouldnt or couldnt even strip one down. A Abu C series is a 1911. easy to strip, clunky, simple, unrefined, thats a 1911.
Basswhippa Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 You wont have trouble getting parts from Korea. Pure Fishing doesnt send you back a repaired reel, they send you a replacement reel. Same with Quantum. Shimano will repair your reel, but it'll come back with scratches from the careless repairman. To think of a Shimano as comparable to a 1911...wow. Way too many parts. Many if not most people wouldnt or couldnt even strip one down. A Abu C series is a 1911. easy to strip, clunky, simple, unrefined, thats a 1911. The Shimanos are actually worth fixing. I would prefer to get my own reels back in most cases, than to a new reel. I have memories with those reels. They are worth keeping and will last for decades, scratched or not. Interesting Website. You can order thousands of Pacific Rim reels a month for cheap, if one likes. http://www.tradekey....g-reel-rod.html Like it or not, it is the world we, including Shimano, live in. If anyone knows what "dumping" is well, US steel industry was slaughted/obliterated because of the Chinese doing it. Again, it's just the world we live in. Social/economic Darwinism.
RyneB Posted July 8, 2012 Author Posted July 8, 2012 I was going to leave this thread alone, but I will add one more thing. RyneB you are doing the exact same thing that you find offensive with the Shimano guys. You feel superior because you use less expensive stuff and then justify this by trying to make the case that the Revo S is as good as the Core. Nonsense. On either extreme the bottom line is the same: I am smarter/better than you based on my purchase decisions. While many of us are guilty of this occasionally (including me) it is just fishing guys. I said superior in a sarcasm way. I guess its hard to understand that over the computer. I was more or less throwing gasoline on the fire lol. I started the topic because i was trying to figure out why it seems that only Shimano owners feel there reel is far superior than all other reels. Then this thread went crazy and i find it very entertaining. Maybe, just maybe, there was a Shimano fan who rubs it in everyones face and read all these posts and decides that he will stop bashing anything other than Shimano. If that happens, this thread was a success.
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted July 8, 2012 BassResource.com Administrator Posted July 8, 2012 I've been an Abu user for 30+ years now, and have rarely had an issue. And when I have, I've not experienced any issues with getting parts or service. But I doubt that's any different from any other brand of reel out there. Properly used and maintained, any reel will last a lifetime. Although I obviously like Abu, I enjoy checking out reels from other brands and even trying out a few. It's always good to keep an open mind because there's a number of innovations out there. I'll be going to ICAST next week, and you can bet I'll be checking out all the latest reels. Last year, U.S. Reel introduced an innovative line level system that I found fascinating. And Pinnacle's selection is really amazing. They cover a very wide budget spectrum and have some really cool features not found on other reels. I've always thought Shimano had excellent spinning reels, but last year's ICAST showing was a big disappointment. The only new thing they offered was a "kickstand" for spinning reels. That's not a slam on Shimano. But after they released the Core the year before at ICAST, I was expecting more from them. I think last year's standout was Quantum's EXO series. They're incredibly lightweight - both rods and reels - and very smooth. That said, the new ABU MGX reels were almost as light, and huge leap forward for Abu. I bought 7. They work great, and are definitely the lightest, smoothest reels from Abu to date. Looking forward to seeing what's new at ICAST this year!
Super User clayton86 Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 I've been an Abu user for 30+ years now, and have rarely had an issue. And when I have, I've not experienced any issues with getting parts or service. But I doubt that's any different from any other brand of reel out there. Properly used and maintained, any reel will last a lifetime. Although I obviously like Abu, I enjoy checking out reels from other brands and even trying out a few. It's always good to keep an open mind because there's a number of innovations out there. I'll be going to ICAST next week, and you can bet I'll be checking out all the latest reels. Last year, U.S. Reel introduced an innovative line level system that I found fascinating. And Pinnacle's selection is really amazing. They cover a very wide budget spectrum and have some really cool features not found on other reels. I've always thought Shimano had excellent spinning reels, but last year's ICAST showing was a big disappointment. The only new thing they offered was a "kickstand" for spinning reels. That's not a slam on Shimano. But after they released the Core the year before at ICAST, I was expecting more from them. I think last year's standout was Quantum's EXO series. They're incredibly lightweight - both rods and reels - and very smooth. That said, the new ABU MGX reels were almost as light, and huge leap forward for Abu. I bought 7. They work great, and are definitely the lightest, smoothest reels from Abu to date. Looking forward to seeing what's new at ICAST this year! thats half a months salary for me lol you my sir are my hero lol
A-Rob Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 to each their own I don't take offense you can fish whatever you like/prefer and I'll do the same
Super User *Hootie Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 to each their own I don't take offense you can fish whatever you like/prefer and I'll do the same And thats the name of the game! Hootie
Capt.Bob Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 I've been an Abu user for 30+ years now, and have rarely had an issue. And when I have, I've not experienced any issues with getting parts or service. But I doubt that's any different from any other brand of reel out there. Properly used and maintained, any reel will last a lifetime. Although I obviously like Abu, I enjoy checking out reels from other brands and even trying out a few. It's always good to keep an open mind because there's a number of innovations out there. I'll be going to ICAST next week, and you can bet I'll be checking out all the latest reels. Last year, U.S. Reel introduced an innovative line level system that I found fascinating. And Pinnacle's selection is really amazing. They cover a very wide budget spectrum and have some really cool features not found on other reels. I've always thought Shimano had excellent spinning reels, but last year's ICAST showing was a big disappointment. The only new thing they offered was a "kickstand" for spinning reels. That's not a slam on Shimano. But after they released the Core the year before at ICAST, I was expecting more from them. I think last year's standout was Quantum's EXO series. They're incredibly lightweight - both rods and reels - and very smooth. That said, the new ABU MGX reels were almost as light, and huge leap forward for Abu. I bought 7. They work great, and are definitely the lightest, smoothest reels from Abu to date. Looking forward to seeing what's new at ICAST this year! Sorry Glenn, but I am dissapointed that the Kick Stand was all you noticed, the last thing I care about, I threw mine in the box and will never get used, the X ship is another story, and soon you will see, ALL THE OTHER REEL MANUFACTURERS WILL DO A "ME TOO" thats on a spinning reel that already had no equal. !! I am considering selling 3 reels and replacing them with the new FJ and FG stradic and sustains. It is like Canon with Cameras, they are top on the list when it comes to new developments, they don't come up with all design first's,and high tech development, just most! If smooth silent and reliable mean little to some why would they buy a Shimano. You should see bigger jumps from other manufacturers because they are trying to catch up. They had to improve a lot to equall the quality and weight and performance of the core, does that make Shimano bad because they were already made the way they were?? Sorry but it is common everywhere to hear whatever reel compared to a Stratic, or a Core, or a Curado, or a Calcutta. You can say what you want but in the fishing reel industry, 9 times out of 10 it the upper end Shimano reels are what all other big name manufacturers are compared to. At the risk of p!!$$!^& people off, ask yourself WHY! Lets face it the G series is loosing ground, but those who use the CiticaE, and CuradoE,D,B,all know the new reels from all other manufacturers have started catching them. But the OLD CuradoE is hard to compare anything to made back when it was introduced. It is these two reels that I feel Shimano is downgrading for the higher end core and others, time will tell. But to be #1, you have to have more than one type of reel that you want all others judged by. I have switched my Curados to Lews, but if I think I can find a better $150.00 real than the Tournament Pro, I'll use it. the point is not all Shimano owners are Shimano owner because of a name, I will own whatever the best bang for the buck is regardless who else owns them, just happens I feel most models are Shimanos!
0119 Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 Absolutely they are the benchmark others in the U.S. market are compared to. Why? Technology. In the JDM Daiwa is light years ahead of them and stand as the benchmark. Especially those from the Evergreen and MegaBass ProShops. Again why? Technology. But just how much technology do you need to catch a dink bass? Heck a fraction of that technology isnt even needed to catch serious fish that can kick your butt. The typical bass angler is dragging a bass across the surface with a mindset to avoid a fight. Or worse yet, a typical modern male cries if he's holding 8oz of reel in his hand...its too heavy. Daiwa has even acknowledged that the technology comes with a price of less durability and longevity. 1
Super User iabass8 Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 Actually diawa had its own version of xship first. Even though i only fish shimano with a few pfleugers and diawas, there is an abundence of shimano pushing for more of their mid tier reels when companies now are putting out comparable products.
Super User Goose52 Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 My mind is just racing with all the points and counterpoints that I could type out. As many of you know, I'm a "value" angler and could debate from that viewpoint. BUT, instead of spending a lot of time on the debate going on in this thread, I guess I just have one thing to say: Since this thread started, I've been fishing 4 times and have caught 20 bass. Just fish............
Super User iabass8 Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 Xship is a double bearing supported pinion. Diawa has had this on ther higher ends reels for a long time.
j.bruno Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way.
Super User BASSclary Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way. Moderate rods load up better for longer casts.
Super User tomustang Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way. Because you're getting a better load from the rod. Now back to the so many hardcore shimano users, which I'm not seeing many.
j.bruno Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks guys that makes sense. Im just a part time bass fisherman. Full time duck hunter though!
Super User tomustang Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 BUT, instead of spending a lot of time on the debate going on in this thread, I guess I just have one thing to say:Since this thread started, I've been fishing 4 times and have caught 20 bass. Just fish............ Since no one can fish 24/7, forums are a great place to talk about fishing when you can't. I believe I can speak for almost everyone that all would rather go out fishing than to argue/comment on the forum. But going out isn't possible all the time. Sorry but I feel the 'just fish' line is an excuse to not answer, low blow to people that can't fish all the time or for those can't fish enough.
Basswhippa Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way. If you had the exact same rods and wiped out that variable the result would be what you are experiencing. The answer to your question is that spool SHIMANO chose to use for the Curado is lighter than the Citica spool. While that allows for tossing tiny light weight lures, it is a detriment to long distance casting due to simple physics. Heavier spools have more mass which is harder to get going, and requires a heavier lure, but once going, it is not going to stop as soon as a lighter spool. If you want, you can swap the spools out and change the properties of both reels. Or pick up the phone, call SHIMANO and have whichever you prefer shipped to your door by the end of the week. Additionally I'm pretty sure you can get a brass Tekota bearing for $1.00, replace the plastic bushing on the Citica drive shaft, and have something that is comparable to your Curado E or todays $200 Chronarch. Apparently the brass is just as smooth as the ball bearing in that placement and has no maintenance, save a tiny bit of oil now and again. If you want to make it a 7.0 or 5.0 reel, just order it. Again, the beauty of SHIMANO.
Capt.Bob Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 I thought you could fish when you wanted, just can't play video games or surf on a computer, at the same time. I just prefer the computer on the weekends, forget the weekend warrior crowd, I'll fish when the temp drops below 105 and there are fewer %^&$%^* on the water. Besides this 105 degree crap is takin its toll. This week is goina be great though, now if we could just get some rain!!!!!! After 25 years of chartering, those who haven't been there, but done that, and know more than you, it's nice to fish when it's convenient, as it is just for fun now!
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted July 8, 2012 BassResource.com Administrator Posted July 8, 2012 Sorry Glenn, but I am dissapointed that the Kick Stand was all you noticed... Noticed??? Seriously? I don't go to ICAST to "notice" something. I let the manufacturers show ME what they want to showcase. I went to their booth and asked them to show me what they're introducing to the freshwater anglers this year. The video is what they showed me...a kickstand. Sure X Ship was new to Shimano, but not the industry. You said Shimano sets the standard for others to follow, but while other manufacturers were offering lighter rods and reels using innovative processes and materials, a kickstand was all Shimano had to offer for freshwater anglers. Quite frankly, I don't see other manufacturers scrambling to add kickstands to their reels any time soon. But AGAIN - it's not a slam on Shimano, so don't get all upset and defensive with me. They just chose to focus on the saltwater market last year, that's all. I'm sure they'll have some cool new stuff for freshwater anglers this year. 2 years ago, they did it with the Core, so perhaps they'll do something equally as cool this year.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 I gotta say, this is getting crazy. Hootie Nonsense poopie pants! LOL
Super User Goose52 Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 My mind is just racing with all the points and counterpoints that I could type out. As many of you know, I'm a "value" angler and could debate from that viewpoint. BUT, instead of spending a lot of time on the debate going on in this thread, I guess I just have one thing to say: Since this thread started, I've been fishing 4 times and have caught 20 bass. Just fish............ Since no one can fish 24/7, forums are a great place to talk about fishing when you can't. I believe I can speak for almost everyone that all would rather go out fishing than to argue/comment on the forum. But going out isn't possible all the time. Sorry but I feel the 'just fish' line is an excuse to not answer, low blow to people that can't fish all the time or for those can't fish enough. Sorry you feel that way Tom. I have a feeling that you missed my drift though. I think discussion forums are (usually) great venues to exchange information and have rational discussion. I am registered on quite a few forums involving different hobbies/interests. My post was related to this particular thread. We have these type of reel threads several times a year. Most reduce down to testosterone-fueled statements that mine is better (bigger) than yours. They usually are short on facts, are full of subjective opinion, they provide little worthwhile information, and they rarely, if ever, change anyone's minds. They often get substantial "views"...but mostly for the entertainment value I expect. As for my comment being an excuse not to answer, you truncated my comment whey you quoted it. I said that my mind was racing with thoughts. However, to properly capture those thoughts and provide a worthwhiile contribution to the thread would require at least an hour, perhaps more, to review all the previous comments, determine whether I agree or disagree, formulate responses accordingly, perhaps do some fact checking, type and proof-read a response, then post. I made the decision that my time would be better spent elsewhere (fishing), as even a well-reasoned response would not, at the end of the day, really accomplish anything. OTOH, I'm don't mind putting time into posts that I think might actually provide value to the members at large - as my recent 1,371 word post on the PQ 5-Year Challenge demonstrates. As far as me being able to fish several times a day if I want to, I worked for 40 years to earn a retirement that gives me that ability - I'm certainly not going to apologize for that. Lastly, perhaps a missed point to "just fish..." is that we have TOO much debate on the board about things that, at the end of the day, do nothing to improve angling success. Much ado about nothing. Just fish.... PS - I will be fishing this evening too and hopefully can get a few more bass...
Super User clayton86 Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 man this thread is providing so much entertainment on my day off. Lets all agree to disagree, I will fish my reels 2 of which are shimanos(Citica, old Sedona(broken but still works)) even though im a Abu fan. So whose ready for iCAST next week anything any ones anxious to see this year like the new Revo line up or new ragetail baits.
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