0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Capt., since your very first thread, a I'm in love with Shimano thread at that, you talk alot. But I just never can get the gist of what your saying. But I enjoy the volumes you write......
Super User clayton86 Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 ah the entertainment value of this thread is STELLAer haha
RyneB Posted July 7, 2012 Author Posted July 7, 2012 Im the OP, and noone had a clear cut answer why SOME Shimano owners are tools. But it is very entertaining reading all the posts. I was showing my wife, and she cant understand how us grown men can argue about fishing reels. I told her its like ice fishing, some people would never understand.
Basswhippa Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Nobody in this world babies their rods and reels like I do. Reel covers on whenever theyre not in my hands. Off the rod as soon as in the man cave. Do all my own service monthly or more often. I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways. I mean there are people out there who put synthetic motor oil in their Dodge Neons, but it's still worthless after a few years because it's a POS model sedan. But whatever floats their boat.
0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I agree. I thought thats what I was trying to say. Everything made right now by any of the major brands is.........POS.
Basswhippa Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 http://fish.shimano....A LIST 2011.pdf there is the full list of reels shimano no longer services, you will note there are stellas and calcuttas on there. not b.s., just not what you want to hear I have a bunch of the first Calcuttas. Technically they are no longer supported. They are the old silver ones built in the early 90's. However Shimano uses so many of these same parts for newer reels, it can almost entirely be rebuilt. People like DVT and RM know how to do it and are more than willing to help us cross reference the new reels with the old ones, for those who are into self maintenance. After spending 7 hours refurbishing my newly acquired most excellent Chronarch, I think the feels RM and DVT are unbelievable fair. Had I done this at their fee, I would have made well below minimum wage. Those guys are well worth their money and much more skilled and efficient than I am. I just wanted to work on the Chronarch.
Super User clayton86 Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 I mean there are people out there who put synthetic motor oil in their Dodge Neons, but it's still worthless after a few years because it's a POS model sedan. But whatever floats their boat. I beg to differ my father has a 97 Neon he babies and has done tons of after market stuff to thing still runs like a champ. Granted its still a neon and it looks goofy it was his attempt to connect with me growing up and being into tunning cars he bought a neon I had every tunner car under the sun. ANYTHING be it cars/trucks or rods and reels if properly maintained will last d**n near for ever if u neglect them then yes everything will be a throw away be it a Ferrari or a stella or a cavalier or neon. If you negelct it it will be junk you put a tiny bit of effort into maintaining anything and it will last you plain and simple im hard on everything my reels my cars but I also maintain,clean, service them when its needed and never had an issue with anything. Maybe im just lucky and my stuff doesn't break down even my hated quantum reals go with me almost every trip and are still in working order I just don't like them.
Basswhippa Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I agree. I thought thats what I was trying to say. Everything made right now by any of the major brands is.........POS. No that isn' t quite accurate. Swedish ABU's and Shimanos are still very good. I would say Diawas, some Quantumns, and some Okumas are as well.
Ima Bass Ninja Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Im the OP, and noone had a clear cut answer why SOME Shimano owners are tools. But it is very entertaining reading all the posts. I was showing my wife, and she cant understand how us grown men can argue about fishing reels. I told her its like ice fishing, some people would never understand. It's just like sports teams. Some people just happen to take their enthusiasm to obnoxious levels.
NoBassPro Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I have a bunch of the first Calcuttas. Technically they are no longer supported. They are the old silver ones built in the early 90's. However Shimano uses so many of these same parts for newer reels, it can almost entirely be rebuilt. People like DVT and RM know how to do it and are more than willing to help us cross reference the new reels with the old ones, for those who are into self maintenance. After spending 7 hours refurbishing my newly acquired most excellent Chronarch, I think the feels RM and DVT are unbelievable fair. Had I done this at their fee, I would have made well below minimum wage. Those guys are well worth their money and much more skilled and efficient than I am. I just wanted to work on the Chronarch. Yes, their site does redirect you to authorized service centers for reels they no longer service, however it looks like most of the calcutta's made before '05 are no longer supported by them directly. Really, it doesn't matter much to me, I no longer own one. Good reels, but definately not the only fishable option out there.
Capt.Bob Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 This is almost funny, B.S. you say, again been there done that!!! why would I buy a new frame for a Stella and put old parts in them, that is what most discontinued parts are for the stella, when Shimano is going to upgrade you to the New model they are going to give you at no charge!! Thanks Shimano!! The 10000 Stella part is the front drag, most want the new material anyway, So if you fix it yourself the newer model which is probably upgraded with a better drag, will interchange. If not, you get a new Stella with multiple upgrades, all you have to do is send it in. those dirty $%^$##%^!! They show the Stradic 1000 MGF body, that was on that list, well if the body is broke or you let it get corroded, that bad you need a new body, it probably would not make sence to put that much money in it. I just bought a screw and line roller bearing shim and roller for my 2500 MGF, so small parts interchange with the 1000, since they share the same frame, different print is all. So the only difference in the 2 are the printing on the frame and the spool holds less line but totally interchange! So if your going to buy the frame just get the one for the 2500 same thing as the discontinued just different print on it!! Like I said the antis don't understand, your lifetime warranty means you never have to pay for that reel again, if they can't fix it, or I can't get parts to fix it myself, which I always do and have never even paid to get them shipped!! They will give me a brand new reel with a lot of updates and new technology!!!!!! Wow I hate that. If I could not get parts for most upper end reels from them it would be because most are interchangable with newer updated parts that fit the older reels anyway, so why stock inferior parts, when newer upgraded parts work on the older model anyway??? Make mine the better updated part. I have upgraded many models with different parts but from higher end reels, the better parts fit them, or newre model parts that interchange on older models. I know when I could use an FG stradic spool handle gears bearings whatever on a Symetre FH, but you have to understand, Shimano does not cut the throat of the authorized service center that knows how what and where, to use proper parts to make your reel perform like new or better. These guy's have spent many hours and much time and money, aquiering the knowledge to be classified as professional, they would know this already, and why it pays to use their service if you don't. I'm sorry but no it isn't B.S. But if you haven't been there you probably won't understand. I am sure you will find any reel worth it's salt from Shimano will have parts available for over 20 years and longer. The problem is most wana be pro's on the matter don't know what parts should be used or interchanged, for those, if your reel is on "THE LIST" I would send it to a professional service provider, money says they will make it work like new, if it is one of the reels I mentioned earlier!! Or if you insist on being right and want to believe this is B.S. you can throw it in the trash and call it a throw away in your mind!! If it is one I mentioned earlier, send it to me if you decide to throw it away, I'll waste my time on it.
Highhawk1948 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Been using the old barrel type Abu-Garcias for over 35 years and love them. They are my workhorses.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 I mean there are people out there who put synthetic motor oil in their Dodge Neons, but it's still worthless after a few years because it's a POS model sedan. But whatever floats their boat. Haha, thats funny right there.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 5 paragraphs, a new record Capt Bob is right. If you read between the lines you will realize your error. Its not that they are discontinued, they have upgraded parts, and they are interchangable. Pretty much all Shimanos are built the same. They just start using better materials or tighter specs. One day you will understand.
telmomarques Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 i used to have core, curadoe 200-e, i traded them all for daiwas, my all reels are daiwas now. daiwa for life
Super User .RM. Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 I love threads like this. :respect-059: Strong, smooth, silent and reliant. That's all I'm going to say. Strong, smooth, silent and reliant = Shimano
Super User SoFlaBassAddict Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 Gotta be one of the best threads in recent history here. Just awesome P.S. I love my Shimanos!
Super User .RM. Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 http://fish.shimano....A LIST 2011.pdf there is the full list of reels shimano no longer services, you will note there are stellas and calcuttas on there. not b.s., just not what you want to hear Here we go agian...Yeah have this PDF printed and on my wall in the office. No biggie, I will agree that there are Calcutta's and Stella'a did YOU look at how OLD they are (13yrs). Shimano supports every reel they make for at least 6 yrs. Nothing in their series' has ever had a LIFETIME Guarantee or Warranty .. Better Luck Next Time!
0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 13 years. So what? Ive got reels still going after 30. My buddy still uses a 6000 Ambassadeur still going since like 1960. Curado D was not supported for 6 years. Like I said less than a year. My experience. Why do you insist on saying my experience is a lie?
NoBassPro Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Here we go agian...Yeah have this PDF printed and on my wall in the office. No biggie, I will agree that there are Calcutta's and Stella'a did YOU look at how OLD they are (13yrs). Shimano supports every reel they make for at least 6 yrs. Nothing in their series' has ever had a LIFETIME Guarantee or Warranty .. Better Luck Next Time! 2005 is 7 years, yes I did look. They were introduced 13 years ago would be correct, though.
NoBassPro Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Here we go agian...Yeah have this PDF printed and on my wall in the office. No biggie, I will agree that there are Calcutta's and Stella'a did YOU look at how OLD they are (13yrs). Shimano supports every reel they make for at least 6 yrs. Nothing in their series' has ever had a LIFETIME Guarantee or Warranty .. Better Luck Next Time! Well I guess Shimano had to catch up with ABU and finally released their $500 version of the Revo Toro.
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted July 7, 2012 Global Moderator Posted July 7, 2012 Wow this thread needs to just go away already. It's starting to sound like an argument between a bunch of first graders "Na uh! You don't know!" Some of us like Shimano, some a little too much perhaps, some of us like other brands of reels, Goodnight!
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 8, 2012 Super User Posted July 8, 2012 Wow this thread needs to just go away already. It's starting to sound like an argument between a bunch of first graders "Na uh! You don't know!" Some of us like Shimano, some a little too much perhaps, some of us like other brands of reels, Goodnight! Booo, no sense of adventure, LOL.
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