Super User rockchalk06 Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 My own personal opinion, it's much important in knowing how to land fish than the rods, reels and line one is using. Well said!
Super User *Hootie Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 Thats what makes it soo much fun, right Hootie? What Im trying to say is........cant we all just get along?LOL. Very well stated LMG. In the end, it all comes down to this. To each his own. Enjoy the banter and the debate. I coudnt pull LMG off his shimanos, and he couldnt pull me off my Lews. But its still fun raggin on the other guys reel. Thats what makes this site so great, a wide variety of opinions and experiences. I visit other bass forums, and some wont have a new entry for days. This site is hot, constantly moving. I love it. P.S. Hey LMG, did you notice, I spelled shimano with small s and Lews with capital L. Tee hee hee!!! Hootie
0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Location and demographics must have to do with that Snookie. Here 99% of any kind of fisherman probably has a giant Ugly Stick surf rod/reel combo from China Mart. Even if they are bream fishing. Heck even the fancy Ranger flats boat with its matching colored trailer and F250 will have those stupid outfits in the rod rack. If you ever see a "real" outfit and see a truly serious fisherman here, he's holding a Shimano. Used to be me, Ive spent my whole retirement buying their latest and greatest. But not anymore. They are just as throw away as the Revo.
Basswhippa Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 They are just as throw away as the Revo. I don't believe that is true but am open to what you are saying if you can back it up. I do acknowledge that they have lowered the quality of the Curado and Citica from the E level. But if something breaks, you can get parts. So I'm not sure what you are saying..... I would say that Shimano is one of the only brands that all of the superior reel mechanics (Like DVT and Lake Fork) will work on. Many don't do the other Korean reels. Some only do the Korean reels that are operational, because they don't want to go on a "parts hunt".
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 That really hurts. Huge Shimano and Red Sox fan here. I am no Skankee fan! BoSox all they way baby! Shimano fans are no store bought, pretty boys, who only care about $. We are die hard, love what we do, and want to play because we love the game people.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 Very well stated LMG. In the end, it all comes down to this. To each his own. Enjoy the banter and the debate. I coudnt pull LMG off his shimanos, and he couldnt pull me off my Lews. But its still fun raggin on the other guys reel. Thats what makes this site so great, a wide variety of opinions and experiences. I visit other bass forums, and some wont have a new entry for days. This site is hot, constantly moving. I love it. P.S. Hey LMG, did you notice, I spelled shimano with small s and Lews with capital L. Tee hee hee!!! Hootie Now youve gone too far, LOL.
0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away. There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model. 1
Super User .RM. Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away. There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model. I say that's BUNK!... In 27 yrs of working on/with Shimano and ordering parts. I have never found what your stating about immediate discontinuing parts for reels. Shimano has supported their series/lines for six yrs and more after a series has discontinued. Not to mention the crossover list that most reputible service shops have on hand. BUNK...
Capt.Bob Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away. There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model. If you can't find out how or where to get and do the service yourself, there are people out there that make a living keeping your OLD SHIMANO running!! I prefer to work on my own and have never had one die yet, lets NOT talk about the low end kids stuff, all manufacturers make throw aways. The next time your stella, stradic Ci4 or any other version, or symetre, citica, curado calcutta, sustain, chronarch , calais, heck even your sahara is ready for the trash, I'll TAKE IT!!! you got a core, it should probably be pitched to, PM me for my address. when it gets here I'll send you a refund for your shipping!!!
0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 ReelMechanic......... those are all reels I tried to get parts for. Back orders that last several months, a handle for the 2500 CI4 lasted 10 months. Perhaps as an industry insider you dont recall that you and your fellow repairmen are in shimanos eyes, on a different tier as us retail purchasers. You get priority on parts. Perhaps you have never looked at shimanos very own list of models they no longer support on their site. For many years, even before you went by .RM. , I valued your posts for their knowledge. But I see no reason why you feel the need to claim that what I say about my experiences are lies.
Super User clayton86 Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 All reels are throw aways if you don't maintain them 1
Basswhippa Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I really just buy Shimano because I like the quality. It's kind of like owning a Lexus. Once you've had a Lexus, you can't go down to KIA, which is a Korean(I think) junk automaker. Sure they will get you around for a while, but they break a lot and at some point not to far after you own it, it is trash. You can't get much for it so it goes to the junkyard. I'll take the Toyota backed Lexus over some Kia every time. From what I read, the Ardent is pretty much the Dodge(Consumer Reports say they are crap) of baitcasters. Heavy, clunky, unreliable. I'm keeping my Japanese engineered Shimanos as they represent excellence in precision gearing. Had it not been for Shimano and their Calcutta of circa 1991, we would all be using crap or at least outdated reels. I cleaned a Chronarch I got at a pawn shop. It looks to be 15+- years old and is scuffed somewhat. I just cleaned it up and it is as good as new, except the scratches. It'll outlast anything I could get from Bass Pro and I suspect the Revos as well. And I'll be able to get most parts for years, as it shares a lot with the Curado. This is why I like Shimano. ABU C3's are similar in terms of getting parts for a very long time. They are excellent in that regard. And I've been reading about the PQ's. Apparently they are pretty good and you can actually get some parts for them. Very cool. 0119 has made me aware of some stuff I didn't know. I'll be careful on the upper end Shimano stuff before I buy it.
38 Super Fan Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I've been so put off by Shimano hype, I simply refuse to buy their products.
buzzfrog Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I've been so put off by Shimano hype, I simply refuse to buy their products. i like my citica, but yea shimano users, are the ******** of the fisihn world, well the ones i know
tstone Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I don't have much for this argument, I use Shimano reels on Abu rods. 1
0119 Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Nobody in this world babies their rods and reels like I do. Reel covers on whenever theyre not in my hands. Off the rod as soon as in the man cave. Do all my own service monthly or more often. I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways.
Super User clayton86 Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 I don't have much for this argument, I use Shimano reels on Abu rods. that's the spirit lol
Super User tomustang Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 Everytime i bring up the words Abu Garcia around a Shimano fan, they look at me like im an idiot. My uncle has 20+ shimano setups and he tells me im an idiot for having all Abus. I just want to know why Shimano users and fans talk like its the only real made and that everyone should use one. I have had 2 Shimanos over the years and hated them, thats why im an Abu Garcia guy. But if someone talks up there Shimano, i dont degrade them. I have been in the car show and racing scene for awhile, and BMW owners act this same way. Is it a sense of entitlement that they have a Shimano? Sorry for the rant, and sorry if the moderators erase this. Im just baffled on why these grown men act like children when it comes to a fishing reel. I have seen it at boat shows, fishing shows, on here, at the ramp, on the lake. Its really annoying. I asked a guy at a outdoor show who was making fun of my Abu Garcia sweatshirt, he said "its a Shimano thing". I'm a shimano fan, only reason why I got into them is because they were 65% off, how can you not like that? Far as any brand goes, I really don't care what you use, where your royalty lies within a manufacturer, be happy with what you use, and not what others think. But to say every shimano user does what you say is a bit off the top.
Super User clayton86 Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 I'm a shimano fan, only reason why I got into them is because they were 65% off, how can you not like that? Far as any brand goes, I really don't care what you use, where your royalty lies within a manufacturer, be happy with what you use, and not what others think. But to say every shimano user does what you say is a bit off the top. I wouldn't say every but maybe 90% lol
Jim_M Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 If u throw sometin other than an Ardent Edge yer un-American! ...spit DING....that my spittoon sound
Super User roadwarrior Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 I love threads like this. :respect-059: Strong, smooth, silent and reliant. That's all I'm going to say.
Super User Deleted account Posted July 7, 2012 Super User Posted July 7, 2012 God bless the American male sporting goods consumer.......carry on. 2
Capt.Bob Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. "Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away." There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model. ReelMechanic......... those are all reels I tried to get parts for. Back orders that last several months, a handle for the 2500 CI4 lasted 10 months. Perhaps as an industry insider you dont recall that you and your fellow repairmen are in shimanos eyes, on a different tier as us retail purchasers. You get priority on parts. Perhaps you have never looked at shimanos very own list of models they no longer support on their site. For many years, even before you went by .RM. , I valued your posts for their knowledge. But I see no reason why you feel the need to claim that what I say about my experiences are lies. Nobody in this world babies their rods and reels like I do. Reel covers on whenever theyre not in my hands. Off the rod as soon as in the man cave. Do all my own service monthly or more often. I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways. "Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size." But wait a minuet! "a handle for the 2500 CI4 lasted 10 months". Oh! you could get parts??? "Can't get parts for even liftime warrnted reels" ??? "Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away." Read the warranty, if that were the case, which I dought, they will give you a brand new reel with many new upgrades! "I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways". Am I missing something here??? So you can get parts, and even though say you can't that makes them throw aways, but you don't treat them as throw aways, or are you still calling them throw aways, is it the saltwater or am I missing the logic here????? Most Shimano owners are not as the OP states, just as most Shinano critics, don't make these type of statements. But there are plenty of those out there that twist what the truth is, to knock anyone who will back Shimanos for their merits. And plenty that will agree with them that have never even had the same hands on experience??? If all Shimano owners were that way, it's funny how many forums have threads by long time Shimano fans that are dissapointed in there low profile baitcast reels and are turning to other brands for better quality reels. Wonder how that could be. But then those who are willing to pay for the Stella, would be stupid to think or lie to to anyone saying there are better or equall reels out their, but their are plenty who haven't been there done that, that would argue there %^(*&%$ whatever was every bit as good cause they catch X pound fish with it????? Like was said earlier, this is a b@!! $&!** thread and that is what most internet threads run on. As reel fisherman it is up to us to go along with fun and know the difference.
NoBassPro Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/customer_service0/Repair_Services.download.-mainParsys-0021-downloadFile.html/PNLA%20LIST%202011.pdf there is the full list of reels shimano no longer services, you will note there are stellas and calcuttas on there. not b.s., just not what you want to hear
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