countryfried Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 ok, well i would buy the heck out of braid, but it just get's to expensive. so i though heavy mono would would. can i use heavy mono like 20lb trilene big game for flippin and heavy cover ? thanks for any info Quote
Super User Sam Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 Use it on Virginia's tidal river pads and grasses. Excellent selection. Quote
Super User BASSclary Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 Its a good line, but not for flipping and pitching IMO. Mono is just too stretchy. I'd stick with a braid for flipping and pitching. It seems expensive but braid just lasts so long its a good investment Quote
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 Wouldnt do mono either. Better off with a fluoro type. 20# Yozuri would be great, has a breaking strength of twice its rating, and holds up really good against abrasions. Quote
Super User Fishes in trees Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 I've have had enough bad experiences with Trilene Big Game that I don't use it any more. Basically, I think that it is cheap line. I think if you got a lot of it and you are changing it out every other trip or so you are probably ok. I think that there are better lines out there that don't cost that much more. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 When I'm not is really super thick cover I use a good copoly and it works great but it isn't Big Games which I happen to like also. I use Cajun Clear Lightning, it is super clear and has very little stretch and the abrasion resistance is awesome, it actually handles more like a flourocarbon. You will hear some bad comments as some people have tried this on spinning reels and it tells you straight up it is for round and low profile casting reels and trolling reels. The reason I like it over big game is because it has the least amount of stretch I ever saw on mono, at one test it had 30% less stretch than Seguar Carbon Pro, one of the first available full spools of flourocarbon and while it did stetch it was right around the same as the best mono line but the clear lightning was much better but it also makes it hard to manage but on a casting reel I love it especially for pitching and flipping in sparse to medium cover situations. If you have heavy cover there is no substitute for braid, that is the ultimate heavy line. Quote
Hyrule Bass Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 I've have had enough bad experiences with Trilene Big Game that I don't use it any more. Basically, I think that it is cheap line. I think if you got a lot of it and you are changing it out every other trip or so you are probably ok. I think that there are better lines out there that don't cost that much more. ive never had a single problem with big game and i have spools in several sizes. I've never had a fish break my line since ive been using big game. casts well enough too. and i dont change my line out until the spool is near empty. ive had big game on some reels over 3 years and its just as fine as it was when i spooled it up. also i dont care about stretchiness in bigger sizes mono. it takes a lot of stretching to break 20lb mono. i know, i get snagged on the bottom when night fishing for catfish with 15, 20, and 25lb big game... Quote
Bass_Fanatic Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 ive never had a single problem with big game and i have spools in several sizes. I've never had a fish break my line since ive been using big game. casts well enough too. and i dont change my line out until the spool is near empty. ive had big game on some reels over 3 years and its just as fine as it was when i spooled it up. also i dont care about stretchiness in bigger sizes mono. it takes a lot of stretching to break 20lb mono. i know, i get snagged on the bottom when night fishing for catfish with 15, 20, and 25lb big game... I dont think anyone is relating stretching to breaking, but rather, when line stretches, it does not penetrate a hook as well. That is why you get bone jarring hooksets with braid, because it has zero stretch. IMO Big Game is decent line, and pretty good for its price. It has less stretch than most other cheap mono's and is fairly abrasion resistant. Watch out though as there are some bad spools that are just junk. I used to use it and it did the job, but floro has greatly improved my bottom contact fishing and braid is king around grass. Quote
Super User BassinLou Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 Braid, may seem expensive, however a spool of it will last you for quite some time. Braid outlasts mono. Quote
Super User SoFlaBassAddict Posted June 28, 2012 Super User Posted June 28, 2012 ] Wouldnt do mono either. Better off with a fluoro type. 20# Yozuri would be great, has a breaking strength of twice its rating Not quite. 12 breaks at roughly 19 pounds. 15 at just shy of 20. The 20 breaks at I believe 22. Yo zuri is updating their web page right now. Can't get the exact numbers. It d**n sure ain't twice it's rating. Darn good line though. 1 Quote
Hyrule Bass Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 I dont think anyone is relating stretching to breaking, but rather, when line stretches, it does not penetrate a hook as well. That is why you get bone jarring hooksets with braid, because it has zero stretch. IMO Big Game is decent line, and pretty good for its price. It has less stretch than most other cheap mono's and is fairly abrasion resistant. Watch out though as there are some bad spools that are just junk. I used to use it and it did the job, but floro has greatly improved my bottom contact fishing and braid is king around grass. in the case of the line stretching on a hookset, i dont see it being much of a factor at all, maybe if youre setting the hook into a chevy truck or something. a hook set is a quick swift action. setting the hook into a bass with larger mono the line probably doesnt or just barely reaches the point to where it actually will stretch. setting the hook in a bass isnt going to stretch the line the same as pulling on one end while the other end is snagged. now, i will say that with smaller lines like 6 or 8lb stretch could be more of a factor, but the OP is talking about bigger line(20lb)... Quote
Basswhippa Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 So long as you can live with it's stretch properties, Big Game is an extremely good line, especially for the money. The guys that say braid will save you in the long run might be right. Buy some Powerpro for $13 +-, divide the 150 yard spool in half, and so long as you don't backlash, you can have two reels filled for many years. Quote
Super User Bankbeater Posted June 29, 2012 Super User Posted June 29, 2012 I have never had any problem with it. I do store it in the basement in a drawer though. Quote
Bass_Fanatic Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 in the case of the line stretching on a hookset, i dont see it being much of a factor at all, maybe if youre setting the hook into a chevy truck or something. a hook set is a quick swift action. setting the hook into a bass with larger mono the line probably doesnt or just barely reaches the point to where it actually will stretch. setting the hook in a bass isnt going to stretch the line the same as pulling on one end while the other end is snagged. now, i will say that with smaller lines like 6 or 8lb stretch could be more of a factor, but the OP is talking about bigger line(20lb)... Even bigger mono has quite a bit of stretch to it. It can be tough to get a good hookset with it on a long cast. Its hard to recognize uless you have used braid. Braid is responsive the second you move your rod, mono absorbs most of the rods movement. Floro is somewhere in between. Quote
A-Rob Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 I use 15# big game for my spinnerbait/chatterbait/buzzbait rod I know braid seems expensive but it lasts a long time on your reel. I back my reels with cheap mono and put on about 30 yards of braid on my pitching stick. That lasts all year. The next year I take it off by laying the 30 yards out in my lawn and putting it on backwards. I've had a box of power pro for 4 years now haha. Just to give you options. Quote
Hyrule Bass Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 Even bigger mono has quite a bit of stretch to it. It can be tough to get a good hookset with it on a long cast. Its hard to recognize uless you have used braid. Braid is responsive the second you move your rod, mono absorbs most of the rods movement. Floro is somewhere in between. it takes a certain threshold to get to that stretch point. setting the hook into a bass isnt going to do much to meet that threshold on larger line imo. just because the line is tight doesnt mean its stretched. i throw lines way out and leave them sit till i get a bite while catfishing. i do plenty of long hooksets with mono, never been a problem for me. if i can easily set the hook in a 40lb flathead with 8lb mono right after a long cast then line stretch isnt really that much of a factor on the hookset as you may think it is. if you have problems setting the hook on a 4lb bass with 20lb mono, i dont think line stretch is to blame, sounds more like operator error to me... Quote
Bass_Fanatic Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 it takes a certain threshold to get to that stretch point. setting the hook into a bass isnt going to do much to meet that threshold on larger line imo. just because the line is tight doesnt mean its stretched. i throw lines way out and leave them sit till i get a bite while catfishing. i do plenty of long hooksets with mono, never been a problem for me. if i can easily set the hook in a 40lb flathead with 8lb mono right after a long cast then line stretch isnt really that much of a factor on the hookset as you may think it is. if you have problems setting the hook on a 4lb bass with 20lb mono, i dont think line stretch is to blame, sounds more like operator error to me... I can assure you that it is not "operator error". I have been known to set the hook so hard that the fish comes flying out of the water lol. Actually, when I first started using braid, the first two hooksets I only reeled in the top lip of the fish haha. SO needless to say, my hooksets are stout...but i dont care if your hulk hogan, the mono will still absorb part of the hookset. You dont have to be setting the hook into a dumptruck for it to stretch, it will do so on a 1lb fish, I promise. Think, with a texas rigged worm, you not only have to penetrate the fish's mouth, but also the body of hte worm so every bit of power matters. Now Im not saying that you cant fish mono for plastics or jigs, I did it for years and caught a ton of fish, but until you use braid, you dont know what a real hookset is. Braid is actually not forgiving enough for me, thats why I prefer floro for most plastics, I like a little stretch becasue I set the hook so hard. Mono WILL stretch and WILL cause bad hooksets over time. Experience and science tells us that. Quote
dave Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 ] Not quite. 12 breaks at roughly 19 pounds. 15 at just shy of 20. The 20 breaks at I believe 22. Yo zuri is updating their web page right now. Can't get the exact numbers. It d**n sure ain't twice it's rating. Darn good line though. I use 12# Yozuri Hybrid for the grass of the Potomac River. Largemouth and big snakehead. (being rebranded as Potomac Pike for marketing purposes) Never a brake off, always in the boat. Quote
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