Palomar Knot Vs. Improved Clinch Knot

[redbirdsfan44]

I know a lot of different knots and that's definitely not what i use nor recommend with fluoro

[J Francho]

A Uni knot is also a very strong knot for fluoro.  I don't doubt you know many knots, just not sure you have the names right.  Makes it difficult to have a discussion.

 

Bottom line, the whole buzz that this or that knot isn't good with fluoro is pretty much nonsense.  Almost all knots I've tried hold very well, PROVIDED THEY ARE WELL TIED. Nylon and copoly were forgiving with poorly tied knots.  Not so much with Fluoro.  You have tie knots carefully.  Any deformation before the knot, and you failed\; time to retie.

[faygo1979]

palomar But I use a Uni for everything now a days  it may not be the best but I have the most consistent with it on every type of line.

[j bab]

I first found this tip while learning how to fly fish. I DO NOT understand why conventional fishermen don't know this trick!

It is seriously so. much. faster.

edit: obviously most of you don't use forceps. Just use your needlenose that you use to unhook fish and clip your line with. 

[Big Bait Fishing]

31 minutes ago, j bab said:

I first found this tip while learning how to fly fish. I DO NOT understand why conventional fishermen don't know this trick!

It is seriously so. much. faster.

edit: obviously most of you don't use forceps. Just use your needlenose that you use to unhook fish and clip your line with. 

wish i could make a short video clip ! i can tie an improved clinch a lot faster than that , maybe i'll work on it (video)

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

SOME KNOT WARS DATA

 

Knot----------------------- Mono---------Braid---------Fluoro---------Average------Overall Rank   

Berkley Braid-----------19.82---------17.36--- ------19.69-----------18.957----------1

Fish-N-Fool------------ 20.54---* ----19.44------ ---15.21-----------18.397----------2

Burke Knot-------------19.32----------18.62--------16.49-----------18.143----------3

Triple Loop------------18.49----------16.07-------***19.74-----------18.100----------4

Imp.Reverse Clinch -17.67 ---------18.96--------16.46-----------17.697----------5

San Diego Jam-------17.76----------17.84--------15.25-----------16.950----------6

Miller Knot -------------20.13---------15.66--------14.94------------16.910----------7

Palomar----------------17.37----------17.36--------15.11-----------16.613---------- 8

Porter-------------------19.89----------10.87--------18.76-----------16.507-----------9

Grinner-----------------17.10----------17.50--------14.90-----------16.500----------10

Cheek Knot-----------19.27----------13.95--------15.97-----------16.397-----------11

Eugene Bend---------17.78----------15.70-------14.64-----------16.040-----------12

Trilene------------------17.58----------14.32-------14.97-----------15.623-----------13

Gryp--------------------17.80----------14.68--------14.29-----------15.590-----------14

Three "G"-------------18.83------------9.71--------15.73-----------14.757-----------15

Improved Clinch-----16.12-----------7.22--------14.01------------12.450-----------16

Notes

[riverbasser]

30 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

SOME KNOT WARS DATA

 

Knot----------------------- Mono---------Braid---------Fluoro---------Average------Overall Rank   

Berkley Braid-----------19.82---------17.36--- ------19.69-----------18.957----------1

Fish-N-Fool------------ 20.54---* ----19.44------ ---15.21-----------18.397----------2

Burke Knot-------------19.32----------18.62--------16.49-----------18.143----------3

Triple Loop------------18.49----------16.07-------***19.74-----------18.100----------4

Imp.Reverse Clinch -17.67 ---------18.96--------16.46-----------17.697----------5

San Diego Jam-------17.76----------17.84--------15.25-----------16.950----------6

Miller Knot -------------20.13---------15.66--------14.94------------16.910----------7

Palomar----------------17.37----------17.36--------15.11-----------16.613---------- 8

Porter-------------------19.89----------10.87--------18.76-----------16.507-----------9

Grinner-----------------17.10----------17.50--------14.90-----------16.500----------10

Cheek Knot-----------19.27----------13.95--------15.97-----------16.397-----------11

Eugene Bend---------17.78----------15.70-------14.64-----------16.040-----------12

Trilene------------------17.58----------14.32-------14.97-----------15.623-----------13

Gryp--------------------17.80----------14.68--------14.29-----------15.590-----------14

Three "G"-------------18.83------------9.71--------15.73-----------14.757-----------15

Improved Clinch-----16.12-----------7.22--------14.01------------12.450-----------16

Notes

What do the numbers represent?

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

I guess that would help huh

15 pound test mono

14 pound test braid

15 pound fluoro

the numbers represent the pounds at which the line or knot broke.

Here is an example of testing and they mention line use

 

[scaleface]

If you like the improved cinch , then why not  start tying the Trilene knot . They are very similar and the Trilene like the palomar is a 100 per cent knot .

[J Francho]

12 hours ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

SOME KNOT WARS DATA

I think it's better to test your own knots with a scale, than rely on data that has so much mystery behind it.  Who tied the knots?  How many tests were conducted?  What brand lines were used? And many more unknowns.

I used to do a demonstration at my seminars.  Paul (my presenter partner) and I would each tie a Palomar, and test the knot on a scale.  We used 6# Invisx (well used, I might add).  He rarely got over 4# with his knot.  I always got over 6.  Paul would change to a knot of his own invention and get right around 6#.  I can't even tie the knot he uses.  It's variation of a knot used by Alaskan salmon fly guides.

Knot strength is and always will be about the how well you tie it.  There are knots I can tie, but don't use.  Why?  Because I don't tie them well, even after practicing.  I can't tell you how frustrating it is to not be able to tie a good FG connection.  It's so slick, fast, easy, and really an elegant knot.  Mine all fail.  So, I use a Alberto, or a triple surgeon's on lighter lines.  They only break if I lock down, and intentionally break the leader.

[Darren.]

37 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Knot strength is and always will be about the how well you tie it.  There are knots I can tie, but don't use.  Why?  Because I don't tie them well, even after practicing.  I can't tell you how frustrating it is to not be able to tie a good FG connection.  It's so slick, fast, easy, and really an elegant knot.  Mine all fail.  So, I use a Alberto, or a triple surgeon's on lighter lines.  They only break if I lock down, and intentionally break the leader.

Well stated. I, too, simply gave up on the FG for same
reason. I just can't tie it well.

I stick with those I'm good at. Alberto/Albrights, the 
Uni-to-Uni, single Uni, clinch, Palomar.

[J Francho]

Yeah but, we're told over and over ad nauseum that the FG is the BEST knot for connections.

[swandog]

6 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Yeah but, we're told over and over ad nauseum that the FG is the BEST knot for connections.

I know but I can't seem to tie it correctly either, atleast to the point of being able to trust it. I'll stick with the Alberto as well.

[Darren.]

17 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Yeah but, we're told over and over ad nauseum that the FG is the BEST knot for connections.

IMO, it ain't the best if I can't tie it out on my kayak.

Those who say otherwise, at least on some occasions,
say they tie them at home the night before and use
something else on the water.

To that I say WHY? If what is tied on the water is good
enough, then use it all the time!  

[J Francho]

And that's why I cringe when there's debates over what is the better knot, and stats are flaunted around, and tempers rise, lol.

If you can't tie the knot, it's always going to be the WORST KNOT TO USE, no matter what the consensus it.

[Yudo1]

I'll also stick with the Alberto.  My fg knot comes unwound too often at the wrong time.

[fishwizzard]

I use a Trilene knot for all hook and lure connections, except when I have to use a loop knot.  I tried the Palomar for a while but I hate how much leader it eats up and I can't tie it well without leaving a long dead end that needs to be cut off.  

 

[PAfishing]

I have always used the improved clinch, caught monsters without breaks. 

[Airman4754]

Palomar for braid, improved clinch for everything else.