Palomar Knot Vs. Improved Clinch Knot

[SirSnookalot]

Sir, of course you are correct.

But to take the same pressure for different knots and notice that the Palomar was heads and shoulders above the others, especially the two clinch knots, was interesting to witness.

So I use the Palomar knot excusively.

I'm not trying to convince anyone should change, just saying the clinch and improved clinch knot do the job.

[bigbassctchr101]

The palamor is the strongest of these two by far. I believe I heard the clinch is only 80% knot strength because the way its designed, it will cut into itself. That being said, I tie a palamor usually. With the exception of a crankbait. I can tie a clinch in about 15 seconds and I beat the bottom hard and have to re-tie a lot with my crankbaits. So, the knot will rarely ever be my weakest link...it will probably be the knicks and abrasion from beating on cover.

On flouro line I use a knot Shaw Grigsby ties on most baits (he didn't know the name of it), but its also designed not to cut into itself at all.

On braid I use a braid knot, except I double the line and do an extra half hitch thru the bottom loop.

Albright knot to cinch two lines together (mono-mono, braid-mono, all of it...)

[Jim_M]

an Diego Jam for lures including jigs. SO much easier for these tired industrial fingers.

Palomar for hooks.

 

[KingMidas]

I exclusively use the improved clinch knot. If you tie it enough, you'll eventually get to a point where the time it takes becomes a non issue. While I'm sure that a Palomar knot is still quicker to tie, I can tie a clinch in about 15 seconds. Actually, I add an extra "locking" step to the improved clinch that I learned from the back of a pack of mustad hooks. It's hard to explain but essentially it involves putting the tag through the loop made when passing the tag through the original loop made in a normal improved clinch. I guess since I learned the Palomar when I was a kid I just assumed the improved clinch was better. More steps equated to a stronger knot in my mind. After reading some of these responses, however, I'm going to give the palomar a try once again. That being said, I love the way an improved clinch balls up solidly with fluorocarbon.

[DON1937]

I fished for several years in saltwater.....bays and surf and never knew the name of the knot I was using. Just now went to a site called Animated Knots and discovered that I was using the Palomar Knot all along.

[Bair]

Palomar. Works with mono, works with fluoro, and it works with braid. Sounds like a winner to me.

[Avery]

I use either the clinch or improved clinch knot for everything.

[onetime]

I use improved clinch (and other knots) for flouro and mono, palomar for braid.

[S. Sass]

Palomar 

- Works with mono and braid (the only lines I use)

- Extremely strong in most any test ever tried

- Very simple to tie correctly for guys with big fingers and not the greatest dexterity

 

 

[Choporoz]

When this thread began, I only used improved clinch....my father called it the Fisherman's Knot.

Now, I don't use it at all.  Palomar for braid and (now Gliss); San Diego Jam for everything else.  I had some issues with Improved Clinch early this year - breaking and slipping on lighter test.  Spent an evening or two tying and retying SDJ while watching TV.  Now, it's as easy for me as improved clinch.

[Yudo1]

Like some others, I use Palomar with braid and improved clinch with fluoro.  I don't use mono.

[JustJames]

I think Im not jn the group then. I dont use neither.

I used to tie clinch knot but feel itis not strong enough. Now i only use trilene knot for everything, rapala loop knot for hard bait. And sandiago jam when I need more secure heavy lure.p

[Big Bait Fishing]

i use the improved clinch for everything , only time i use a palomar knot is when rigging a drop shot .

 

[BrianinMD]

Both are quality knots, use what you are comfortable with and can tie consistently.

[J Francho]

It really depends on the line.  I use the ICK with confidence tying spinnerbait, buzzbait, top-water, cranks, etc. directly or to a split ring using strong co-poly or mono.  For braid, I prefer a Uni or Palomar.  Fluoro, the Palomar and Uni get the nod over anything else.  If I wanted to simplify, I'd say you can use a well tied Uni for anything, though. 

The caveat with any knot: well tied.

[Team9nine]

Is there an award for oldest post ever successfully resurrected???  

...oh, and Palomar, hands down

-T9

[kickerfish1]

I use the improved clynch not for everything no matter the line type or size.

[Caliyak]

On 6/27/2012 at 8:11 PM, B@ssCrzy said:

I use palomar for braid and improved clinch for mono. Both are great knots.

I do the same plus the uni for braid. 

[OCdockskipper]

Palomar for hooks (Wacky, T-rig, dropshot) and small jigs, ICK for lures.

I don't like making the giant loop needed for tying the palomar to a large lure.  I am comfortable with the knot strength of both.

[redbirdsfan44]

This really depends on your line choice. Palomar is an excellent choice for most fishing lines. If you are using fluoro though a palomar is going to be a weaker knot. Because Fluoro is a denser, more abrasive line you weaken your knot by tying a palomar. Albright is one of your best options with fluoro. 

[J Francho]

5 minutes ago, redbirdsfan44 said:

This really depends on your line choice. Palomar is an excellent choice for most fishing lines. If you are using fluoro though a palomar is going to be a weaker knot. Because Fluoro is a denser, more abrasive line you weaken your knot by tying a palomar. Albright is one of your best options with fluoro. 

Palomar weaker with fluoro?  Simply not true with a well tied knot.  Maybe a poorly tied Palomar. But then again, any poorly tied knot will fail, and fluoro separates the men from boys when it comes to knots.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Albright is one of your best options with fluoro." The Albright is a line to line connection knot.  What knot would you recommend for a terminal connection?

[redbirdsfan44]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

Palomar weaker with fluoro?  Simply not true with a well tied knot.  Maybe a poorly tied Palomar. But then again, any poorly tied knot will fail, and fluoro separates the men from boys when it comes to knots.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Albright is one of your best options with fluoro." The Albright is a line to line connection knot.  What knot would you recommend for a terminal connection?

Pictured is the knot that I use with Fluoro which I was taught long ago as the albright. The palomar knot ties tight to the main line and when pressure is applied pulls the knot tighter on the main line weakening it. With the knot I know as the albright knot the knot itself is tight tot he eye of the hook and tied correctly can be slid back up the main line. When pressure is applied the knot cinches tighter to the eye of the hook rather than the main line. 

As for a terminal connection knot I tie the knot that I am guessing you are referring to as the albright knot. 

studying that picture a little more I see that is a uni knot and not the actual knot I tie that I know as the albright @J Francho

[J Francho]

That is a clinch knot, oft cited as notoriously bad with fluoro, though my friend Noel "No" Good uses it, and has a few big (over 6 lb.) smallies under his belt.

This is an Albright:

http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php#ScrollPoint

[redbirdsfan44]

3 minutes ago, J Francho said:

That is a clinch knot, oft cited as notoriously bad with fluoro, though my friend Noel "No" Good uses it, and has a few big (over 6 lb.) smallies under his belt.

This is an Albright:

http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php#ScrollPoint

That is the knot I use to link braid to mono/fluoro. I cannot find any depiction of the knot I use for Fluoro. I will see If I can't find something 

[J Francho]

About the closest you'll find is the Improved Clinch Knot, improved by passing the tag end back through the large loop.  I use it a lot with strong copolymer lines, like CXX or Silverthread.

http://www.animatedknots.com/improvedclinch/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.png&Website=www.animatedknots.com#ScrollPoint

Also, the pic you posted is MOST DEFINITELY a Clinch knot, not a Uni.

This is a Uni:

http://www.animatedknots.com/duncan/#ScrollPoint