CHRGD Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I'm looking for some beveled edge willow leaf blades, like they use on the Terminator spinnerbaits. I've checked most of the tackle making websites, (Janns, Barlows), and such, with no luck. I am looking for 4.5, 3.5 or 3 sizes. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks. I did check out them sites, and thanks, but that not excatally what I'm looking for. The one I am looking for is on the left. I added the other blade to compare. Quote
Matt Jungblut Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 im not sure if barlows carries them but they have something pretty close there called Mag ( Olympic ) Willow Spinner Blades aneither site that carries something very close is lure parts online there called wide willow leaf if i read ur post right i think these are the blades ur looking for Quote
Christian M Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I dont know if you're making baits but the new Dr. Spinner baits come with those style blades, just got mine in the mail yesterday cant wait to go test em out Quote
Skeeterman225 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Worth has their Colorado equivalent (olympic willow with beveled edge) shown on their stock paint colors in the catalog. Have not seen the willow. They are not a catalog item so it is probably a custom die for terminator. Quote
CHRGD Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 They are not a catalog item so it is probably a custom die for terminator. Thats what I am afraid of. Thanks for the info. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted May 24, 2012 Super User Posted May 24, 2012 The blades you are looking for are made exclusively for Teminator, as long as they keep paying the manufacturer a fee to keep them exclusive then custom makers won't have access to them. I've been making spinnerbaits for over 15 years and what I can tell you is the beveled edge on those blades are for light reflection more than anything else. If you want a good blade like that look to Worth company for a fluted olympic blade, it isn't beveled but the flutes in the blade reflect light in multiple directions. You also need to go to Janns Netcraft and check out the closeouts and check every week, every so often they will have blades for terminators for sale, they are usually gold and size 3 or 5 but the are the real deal and they get them about twice a year. Quote
Skeeterman225 Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 Might could try emailing terminator and tell em you got some old baits needing some blades. You never know. Quote
CHRGD Posted May 25, 2012 Author Posted May 25, 2012 I was hoping you would chime in Smalljaw, I was actually using this blade in a painted version. I got into some fish, and the wife tied on the same bait, but the blade was not beveled. I was catching 4 fish to her 1, and the only difference I could see was the blade. So I was looking for some extra blades. I have resorted to tearing apart other Terminators just for the blades. Skeeterman, I will give that a try, see where I get. I was on their site, but I don't remember seeing any contact info, but I will give it another look. Thanks guys for your replies. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted May 25, 2012 Super User Posted May 25, 2012 I was hoping you would chime in Smalljaw, I was actually using this blade in a painted version. I got into some fish, and the wife tied on the same bait, but the blade was not beveled. I was catching 4 fish to her 1, and the only difference I could see was the blade. So I was looking for some extra blades. I have resorted to tearing apart other Terminators just for the blades. Skeeterman, I will give that a try, see where I get. I was on their site, but I don't remember seeing any contact info, but I will give it another look. Thanks guys for your replies. CHRGD, Right now Janns Netcraft has them in a gold size #6, if you go and look under "specialty blades" you will see a listing for "oklahoma blade" and the pic doesn't look right but trust me, this is the terminater blade. It describes it as a mag willow or olympic blade with extra contours which is the beveled edge you want but a #6 is pretty big. The other thing you can do is go to lure parts online and they sell a wide willow that is fluted, it is a slightly different look but it does the same thing the oklahoma blade does and that is reflecting light at a different angle than the rest of the blade. If you need any other help feel free to ask and I'll try to help. Quote
CHRGD Posted May 26, 2012 Author Posted May 26, 2012 Thanks smalljaw, I did go look at them, and took some measurements, and I believe that they are the Indiana blades that come on some Terms. I took a pic of the blades I have on my older Terms. 99% of my Terms have either a willow leaf blade in a 4.5 size, or a Indiana blade in a 4.5 size. I took another pic of what I have. The Indiana blade measures 1 5/8" 4.5 size The Willow leaf measures 2 3/8" 4.5 size Like you said, that #6 blade is going to be a BIG blade. I will call Janns and see if they ever get any Willow blade from this manufacturer. I am looking to paint these blades, so I not using them for flash, it just seemed to me there was a difference in vibration, as the only difference was the big blade, hers was not beveled. The Willow Leaf blade is what I am looking for, and again, thanks for your help. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted May 30, 2012 Super User Posted May 30, 2012 Thanks smalljaw, I did go look at them, and took some measurements, and I believe that they are the Indiana blades that come on some Terms. I took a pic of the blades I have on my older Terms. 99% of my Terms have either a willow leaf blade in a 4.5 size, or a Indiana blade in a 4.5 size. I took another pic of what I have. The Indiana blade measures 1 5/8" 4.5 size The Willow leaf measures 2 3/8" 4.5 size Like you said, that #6 blade is going to be a BIG blade. I will call Janns and see if they ever get any Willow blade from this manufacturer. I am looking to paint these blades, so I not using them for flash, it just seemed to me there was a difference in vibration, as the only difference was the big blade, hers was not beveled. The Willow Leaf blade is what I am looking for, and again, thanks for your help. The wide willow, as pictured, isn't an Indiana, and it's not exclusive to terminator. You'll see that one from time to time on quite a few websites, including Janns. You'll see them on Ebay, too. They have a VERY different thump than the traditional wide willow, or Olympic blade. The bevel isn't about just light reflection on them, I'll disagree with that to the NTH degree. You can feel the difference on the wait virtually immediately... Anyhow... The Turtleback, wide willow, or olympic on the top bait is a blade that can be had, though it seems to sell extremely quickly. Quote
Super User Jigfishn10 Posted May 30, 2012 Super User Posted May 30, 2012 The top blade is an Oklahoma blade. These blades have a crease/bend in a "Y" configuration like the one shown on the Terminatior. The Mag willow looks close, but it's creased/bent down the middle and not out to the sides. Same shape, different crease. Quote
CHRGD Posted May 31, 2012 Author Posted May 31, 2012 Thanks guys, I'm still looking. I did find a number for the company that makes them, but have yet to call them. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted May 31, 2012 Super User Posted May 31, 2012 The top blade is an Oklahoma blade. These blades have a crease/bend in a "Y" configuration like the one shown on the Terminatior. The Mag willow looks close, but it's creased/bent down the middle and not out to the sides. Same shape, different crease. I have become a big fan of this blade - and I have also looked for a source of supply other than the original bait but have been unsuccessful as well. I did find a sale on the bait itself last week for $3 bucks a bait - bought them all. A-Jay Quote
Super User Jigfishn10 Posted May 31, 2012 Super User Posted May 31, 2012 A-Jay, Janns Netcraft has the Mag Willows in stock. They have the Oklahoma blades in stock, but start at a size #6. The Oklahoma blades are sweet blades, no doubt, but the mag willows are a pretty close cousin. Check them out @ jannsnetcraft.com. 1 Quote
CHRGD Posted June 1, 2012 Author Posted June 1, 2012 Thanks guys, that mag willow does look close. I may have to settle for that one if my search does not get me any closer. I appreciate the help guys, tight lines! Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted June 2, 2012 Super User Posted June 2, 2012 The wide willow, as pictured, isn't an Indiana, and it's not exclusive to terminator. You'll see that one from time to time on quite a few websites, including Janns. You'll see them on Ebay, too. They have a VERY different thump than the traditional wide willow, or Olympic blade. The bevel isn't about just light reflection on them, I'll disagree with that to the NTH degree. You can feel the difference on the wait virtually immediately... Anyhow... The Turtleback, wide willow, or olympic on the top bait is a blade that can be had, though it seems to sell extremely quickly. Hooligan may be right about a different vibration with that blade but he is wrong about the avialability. I contacted Rapala which owns terminator and I was told that the closest commercially available blade is the mag willow or olympic blade, the bevel is a patented design exclusive to terminator and can only be purchased through terminator or one of its approved partners. The blades that Janns gets is the oklahoma blade and they are allowed to sell them as they were excess inventory from an approved source and every blade will have Terminator stamped on it. The bevel design is is made by only one manufacturer and a copyright agreement is in place as well as a patent as to insure these blades are only made available first and foremost to terminator and resale can only happen upon approval from terminator from approved sources. That is why you can't find them, as they are exclusive to terminator. I knew this before as I've been making spinnerbaits for over 15 years and I probably have more than a dozen suppliers as well as 3 manufacturers that I do business with and I was told a long time ago that only a few get sold from certain dealers every couple of years, I tried to get them before and while you can find them it is usually only in one or two sizes and most likely one finish and everyone I ever came across had terminator stamped on it. Quote
CHRGD Posted June 3, 2012 Author Posted June 3, 2012 So Rapala owns them now? The info I got off an old package is Outdoor Innovations, LLC. So if I contact them, they won't be able to help me? I should maybe contact Rapala? Having Terminator stamped on them is no big deal, as we are using them on our older Terms, and we want to paint the blades. Thanks again guys, I appreciate it. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted June 3, 2012 Super User Posted June 3, 2012 So Rapala owns them now? The info I got off an old package is Outdoor Innovations, LLC. So if I contact them, they won't be able to help me? I should maybe contact Rapala? Having Terminator stamped on them is no big deal, as we are using them on our older Terms, and we want to paint the blades. Thanks again guys, I appreciate it. Outdoor innovations is the old company and when you see the blades for sale they are usually overstock that was made for them but now Rapala or should I say, Normark owns them and I guess old stock from outdoor innovations probably turns up now and again and gets sold upon approval of Normark. If you contact Rapala they will put you in contact with the division that deals with Terminator. Quote
CHRGD Posted June 3, 2012 Author Posted June 3, 2012 I have sent an email, and we'll see how it goes. Thanks again Smalljaw. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted June 3, 2012 Super User Posted June 3, 2012 A-Jay, Janns Netcraft has the Mag Willows in stock. They have the Oklahoma blades in stock, but start at a size #6. The Oklahoma blades are sweet blades, no doubt, but the mag willows are a pretty close cousin. Check them out @ jannsnetcraft.com. Cool - Thanks - but isn't a #6 a fairly large blade ? Sounds too big for say 1/2 oz bait. A-Jay Quote
Super User Jigfishn10 Posted June 3, 2012 Super User Posted June 3, 2012 Cool - Thanks - but isn't a #6 a fairly large blade ? Sounds too big for say 1/2 oz bait. A-Jay It is a large blade, but you can check out the Magnum Willows they have. Same shape and you can get them smaller, just a different crease. I'll PM you the link. As far as a #6 on a 1/2 oz: I use a #6 colorado on a half oz for after ice out. It really slows a bait down, problem is, you look like you were jack hammering the road all day...LOL...what a thump it produces. Quote
CHRGD Posted June 6, 2012 Author Posted June 6, 2012 I send off a email to Rapala, and heres their response, I've been searching for some Terminator spinnerbait blades. I was told that your company now owns the Terminator now. I need some willow leaf blades in the 4.5 size. I would even take some that have no finish, as I would like to paint them. I have several older baits that had painted blades, but can no longer find them for sale. Could you put me in contact with a place that I can place a order? Thank you for your email. Unfortunately we no longer carry replacement blades. I did a quick online search and found a couple companies that do carry replacement willow blades. Below is a link to Bass Pro’s replacement blades selection. Hopefully this helps you out. http://www.basspro.c...m=willow blades Good Fishing! Rapala USA While I appreciate the link to BPS, that willow leaf blade does not have the beveled edge, like the Terms use. You are still using that blade on your Terminators you make today. I would really like to purchase 50 of them. As I stated before you do not make 1/2oz spinnerbaits with painted blades, and that is what works for us. Is there any chance you can contact the company that makes your Terms now, and have then sell me a handful of blade, PLEASE? I am sorry Jeff we cannot. You may want to try searching the internet. There may be some old components left on the market. Sorry but good luck. Well unless I find old stock, looks like I'm SOL. Thanks for all the responses, Jeff Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted June 7, 2012 Super User Posted June 7, 2012 I send off a email to Rapala, and heres their response, I've been searching for some Terminator spinnerbait blades. I was told that your company now owns the Terminator now. I need some willow leaf blades in the 4.5 size. I would even take some that have no finish, as I would like to paint them. I have several older baits that had painted blades, but can no longer find them for sale. Could you put me in contact with a place that I can place a order? Thank you for your email. Unfortunately we no longer carry replacement blades. I did a quick online search and found a couple companies that do carry replacement willow blades. Below is a link to Bass Pro’s replacement blades selection. Hopefully this helps you out. http://www.basspro.c...m=willow blades Good Fishing! Rapala USA While I appreciate the link to BPS, that willow leaf blade does not have the beveled edge, like the Terms use. You are still using that blade on your Terminators you make today. I would really like to purchase 50 of them. As I stated before you do not make 1/2oz spinnerbaits with painted blades, and that is what works for us. Is there any chance you can contact the company that makes your Terms now, and have then sell me a handful of blade, PLEASE? I am sorry Jeff we cannot. You may want to try searching the internet. There may be some old components left on the market. Sorry but good luck. Well unless I find old stock, looks like I'm SOL. Thanks for all the responses, Jeff Now you understand why I tell those who say you can buy them that it just isn't so, what you see turn up at Janns netcraft from time to time is old stock from outdoor innovations. And when Terminator was owned by them they only had the oklahoma or turtle back blade, they didn't use the beveled willow leaf blade you see on them now. I know the company that manufacturers the blades and I contacted them and I was told that those blades are patent protected which is why you don't see other places copy those blades and Terminator or Rapala continues to pay a nice sum of money every 10 years to keep them exclusive to Terminator and that tells me they get quite a few request from us do-it-yourself tackle makers to purchase their blades. The only reason I contacted them for you twas to show some people that they are not on the open market and while the mag willo is a good substitute for the oklahoma blade there isn't any for the beveled willow. I also tried to get the Nichols shattered glass blades and they too are exclusive. Quote
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