Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 13, 2012 Super User Posted June 13, 2012 Nice progress so far !! As far as the rod locker goes, the one concern that I would have about putting the rods in a tube such as that is, if a rod should fall or come loose from it's holder at the other end then the load on the rod tip could break the rod. To me, it would make much better sence to just cover the rods with a protective sleve, rather than have them shoved in a tube, and a bent tube at that. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 thanx!! it would be practically impossible for a rod to fall from its holder on the reel side, since the locker would be the size of the rods, and it would have 2 supports, one behind the reel, and one in front of the second guide or so, to give support to the lid...my main concern was using a bend tube... maybe i should just make the lid open all the way to the front... i worry about having a 7 feet lid, how difficult will it be to open it one handed.... Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 Dan, the lid to the rod locker does not need to be seven feet long. The lid to my rod locker is only 46" long, I have a Ranger 185; inside on the forward wall of the locker are tube ports, I think mine are three tubes wide by three row for a total of nine ports. These tube ports are flexible, smooth, thin walled, PVC tubing like you see being buried along the roadways for fiber-optic cables. The idea is the separation of the tubes in the locker wall is even to afford easy access, but the tubing bends to converge at the bow of the boat with some tubes being a little shorter than others. The tubing is under the decking where you don't see it. I'll try to get a pic tomorrow for you. Cheers, E hey Traveler, could you send me the pic about your rod locker setup?? i drew the red tubes above based on this post, but a pic would be great to clarify... thanx!! Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 13, 2012 Super User Posted June 13, 2012 thanx!! it would be practically impossible for a rod to fall from its holder on the reel side, since the locker would be the size of the rods, and it would have 2 supports, one behind the reel, and one in front of the second guide or so, to give support to the lid...my main concern was using a bend tube... maybe i should just make the lid open all the way to the front... i worry about having a 7 feet lid, how difficult will it be to open it one handed.... Just like in the above post you had copied from traveler's post, you do not need a 7' door, 5/8 to three quarter the length of the rod will work just fine. If traveler is not able to post a pic before, I will post one from my boat for you in the morning. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 sorry Nitro, but im not following you on this one... in your post 101, i thought your opinion was that this was not a good idea, to put tubes and put the rods inside them.... the way i view it, if i dont want to put them inside the tubes, the only way would be to have a 7' lid, and lay them horizontally on the locker.... having a smaller lid would require some sort of guide for the rods to slide into, this is where the tubes enter the picture.... but on this last post, yo mention a smaller lid is possible... can you elaborate on how can i use a smaller lid, without using the tubes or some guides to put the rods into?? a pic would be great also... thanx!! Quote
Traveler2586 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Dan, Sorry I took so long on this, I can be a real JA at times. Here are the shots of my rod locker. One observation I just made is it looks to me like the tubes are different sizes, I did not notice that before taking these photos. Also, the tube in the upper right is open, the camera just got a shot straight down the tube to make it look as it does. The hold downs are very useful to protect your reels. I would suggest you do something along this line in your setup. I don't think the rods will break if their not held down, their just too flexible, but I do feel your reels will suffer. The rubber strap they use is the same as the deck rod straps, just a round rubber strap with a screw fitting at each end. You could contact Ranger Boat Parts Dept. at 1-800-724-7273 and describe the straps, I know they have them; you may even be able to get the rod holder frame, tubing, front end plate and end-caps too. I have emailed pic's to them to insure we're talking about the same parts. Just a tip... You can see my LED bling in the upper right It really works very well to see the holes at night. I have seen the other end of these tubes up in the bow of the boat, they're thin walled flexible PVC tubes with end-caps on them. If you ever see a road crew planting orange tubing in the ground for communications cable check it out I think it would be similar to what's in the boat. Quote
Traveler2586 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 my mother was not too happy from having the motor hanging from her ceiling, and i have yet to tell her that it will be there for about a month.... I think I would lay the motor down on a wagon or something; your hoist looks fine, but I think the weak link is the fitting on the motor, a month is a long time to hang a motor. Play it safe and lay it down, or make a motor stand out of some 2X4's. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 thanx!! great pics!! that is exactly what i was tryng to picture here: on the first pic you can see the tubes, supposing the front deck is removed, this is what would be under it... right?? and with the front deck in place, you would only see the holes... since i am building this on the space left between the original deck and the new deck, i can only have a row of rods... and for the reel side of the locker, i was planning instead of the slot, on putting something like this (this is drawn on the front, but it would be behind the reels) and, i had also thought about a bungee strap, or maybe velcro, to secure them down.... i have those C clips i could also bolt to a wooden block and put it to hold the rods in front of the second guide maybe.... Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 I think I would lay the motor down on a wagon or something; your hoist looks fine, but I think the weak link is the fitting on the motor, a month is a long time to hang a motor. Play it safe and lay it down, or make a motor stand out of some 2X4's. thanx, as soon as it is painted (hopefully soon) i will look for a way to lay it down.... right now we have it hanging there because it is easy to work on it that way.... Quote
Traveler2586 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 thanx, as soon as it is painted (hopefully soon) i will look for a way to lay it down.... right now we have it hanging there because it is easy to work on it that way.... I think your rod holder with a bungee would work fine. IMHO, I would get a safety support under your motor; you could build a cheep wooden stand that would allow painting and working on the motor as well. Remember, Murphy is everywhere, give him a chance and he will frack you every time. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 hahaha, thanx, ill keep the motor thing in mind... now on the holder, the rear part is not a problem... where i am having issues is on the front part... if i want to install the tubes like you mention, they wont be straight, specially the ones on the left, would have a slight bent to follow the contour of the boat.... when i put a rod in there, it would bend a little on the tip... so basically they "converge" at the front of the boat, not much, but enough to say they are not 100% straight.... Quote
Traveler2586 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 hahaha, thanx, ill keep the motor thing in mind... now on the holder, the rear part is not a problem... where i am having issues is on the front part... if i want to install the tubes like you mention, they wont be straight, specially the ones on the left, would have a slight bent to follow the contour of the boat.... when i put a rod in there, it would bend a little on the tip... so basically they "converge" at the front of the boat, not much, but enough to say they are not 100% straight.... 100% correct. The end-cap would prevent the rod tip guide from catching on the end of the tube. The slight bend will not hurt the rods at all. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 thanx Traveler!! i have some water hose about 1" thick left from when i installed the bilge and livewell pumps, ll do a test to see how it fits.... so, now that this rod issue is almost solved, i will go to the next issue.... regarding the rear deck, originally only the lids were carpeted.... however i like the look of a big carpeted deck...so i would like to carpet also the part between the storage spaces.... something like this: however as you see in the pic, the gas hose is right there... i believe if gas spills in the carpet while putting gas in the tank, as it usually does, it would ruin it... so, how would you do it?? i would like to put something like a pan or something, because when gas or oil spills there, it eventually goes to the rear of the boat, and, when we catch a wave, it would wash it down to the water... this contamination is something i would like to avoid... any ideas?? Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 13, 2012 Super User Posted June 13, 2012 Thats the fill port? If you put a catch tray there you have to avoid it all the time when fishing from the back, at least I would assume. Whats your thoughts on moving it to the gunnel? Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 yes, thats what i was thinking about the tray, it would prevent the deck to be completely flat, which is what i would prefer... whats the gunnel?? i dont even know the marine words in spanish, in english is harder haha Quote
Traveler2586 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 The "Gunnel" is the top of the boats sides. What kind of fuel tank do you have? If it's the common red plastic removable tank you'd need to adapt a fill tube fitting (1-1/2" I think) to it. If the tanks fill cap is mounted on the deck then it may be possible to move it to the gunnel, just make sure the new fuel lines you use on the boat and motor are rated for Ethanol gas. Quote
Traveler2586 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 thanx Traveler!! i have some water hose about 1" thick left from when i installed the bilge and livewell pumps, ll do a test to see how it fits.... Just make sure the inside of the hose is smooth. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 14, 2012 Author Posted June 14, 2012 The "Gunnel" is the top of the boats sides. What kind of fuel tank do you have? If it's the common red plastic removable tank you'd need to adapt a fill tube fitting (1-1/2" I think) to it. If the tanks fill cap is mounted on the deck then it may be possible to move it to the gunnel, just make sure the new fuel lines you use on the boat and motor are rated for Ethanol gas. i get it... that would be a good idea, i dont really like having it on the center of the boat, since the gas hose always leaks a little bit, so some gas drops always spill on the boat.... besides, i have to climb on the boat to fill the gas, i would much rather have the fill on one side.... however, it is not the small red fuel tank, this one is a big metallic tank, for about 70 liters (18 gallons).... right now it is bolted to the center of the boat and i would like to keep it that way to keep the balance.... so i think i can move the fill cap and use a big hose.... why does it have to be rated for ethanol gas?? a better question would be, what is ethanol gas?? i dont really think here in Mexico we have that gas... and yes, the inside of the hoses are smooth, and i close them with a PVC endcap or something... Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 14, 2012 Super User Posted June 14, 2012 i get it... that would be a good idea, i dont really like having it on the center of the boat, since the gas hose always leaks a little bit, so some gas drops always spill on the boat.... besides, i have to climb on the boat to fill the gas, i would much rather have the fill on one side.... however, it is not the small red fuel tank, this one is a big metallic tank, for about 70 liters (18 gallons).... right now it is bolted to the center of the boat and i would like to keep it that way to keep the balance.... so i think i can move the fill cap and use a big hose.... why does it have to be rated for ethanol gas?? a better question would be, what is ethanol gas?? i dont really think here in Mexico we have that gas... and yes, the inside of the hoses are smooth, and i close them with a PVC endcap or something... Ethanol is basically Alcohol in this case most mixtures are a by product of corn, it has good qualities and bad, 99% bad in my opinion, when used in two cycle engines it has a tendency to reek havoc on fuel related parts and in some cases mechanical issues have followed. The content ethanol level or percentage will dry up fuel lines, gaskets, oil mix in some cases will not suspend very well alowing internal engine componants to run un-lubricated or less lubricated. In short it makes things go BOOM !!! if your not careful. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 14, 2012 Author Posted June 14, 2012 thanx!! i knew what ethanol is, however... here in mexico they dont sell it, at least not that i am aware of... there is a fuel monopoly in the country, we only have ONE brand of gas, so, theres nothing we can do about it.... anyways, i will use fuel hoses, not any regular hose.... thanx!! Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 17, 2012 Author Posted June 17, 2012 more progress was done today... it is already painted!! i am waiting for the first clear coat (with flakes) to dry... then we will apply the second clear coat... heres a pic before the flakes: Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 17, 2012 Author Posted June 17, 2012 and here´s a close up of the flakes.... Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 17, 2012 Author Posted June 17, 2012 unfortunately its getting dark so most probably i wont be able to take pics after the second clear coat is applied... but tomorrow morning i hope to take it out to the sun and take some better pics... Quote
Bigbarge50 Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 I have nothing in terms of knowledge to share, but I just wanted to add how great this thread is. When I move on to a new boat, this stuff will be invaluable. Watching the thoughts all laid out on paper with pics and drawings, then the execution really has been a lot of fun. Great stuff fellas. Quote
RobertBG Posted June 17, 2012 Posted June 17, 2012 I've read this whole thread and i have to say congratulations (I know it isnt done)but you guys are realy going to enjoy this boat to the fullest.This buld up is right up my alley,I'm from the school of if you want it then build it and I'm sure it'll convince others to rescue another boat from the weeds somewhere. great job,good work and hopefuly good fishing. Quote
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