Super User Nitrofreak Posted May 29, 2012 Super User Posted May 29, 2012 i didnt know that about the wraps Nitrofreak, thanx!! we were thinking about applying a transparent coating to the wrap, to protect it even more.... do you think this would cover the pin holes?? or would we have the problem even with the coating?? because i am like you, im not lazy but dont care for doing any extra work if its not needed.... and yes, a little time on the winch will get me a boat wrap almost for free.... i already have the diagrams in my head, i just have to check if they actually work as i think they should.... Honestly, I think that would be a little overkill, those little holes are there for a reason, it allows the fabric to expand and contract as needed. So my suggestion would be to not do something like that. There is a solution that will help though, you can buy Eagle One spay on wax ( clear wax coating ) that will help keep your wrap in good condition and help protect it from stains, that will help more than anything else that I can think of, or at least that is the most inexpencive way to help take good care of it. Quote
(='_'=) Posted May 30, 2012 Author Posted May 30, 2012 thanx! i have heard about spraying a clear coating to protect it, but i didnt knew about those holes.... ill see if i can find that wax then... the plan for this weekend is to paint the inside of the boat, as well as the keel... we decided to paint the keel instead of wrapping it, since the wrap would tear very fast.... we will only wrap the sides and the back of the boat.... so, today and tomorrow we will gather the painting supplies, and finish sanding the old paint... we will have to repair some holes and spots where the fiberglass is damaged.... can we use regular bondo?? because there are places where i dont think normal fiberglass resin would work... hopefully by sunday we will have everything painted, we plan on applying primer on saturday and paint on sunday... so maybe next week we will begin with the storage spaces.... do you see a problem in cutting the current storage like this?? this is for the skis to fit under the rods in the locker... would we have any structural problems if we cut like that?? we plan on using a dremel to cut this and the console.... Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted May 30, 2012 Super User Posted May 30, 2012 Bondoo, no, it will give up under the constant flexing a boat has, can you get a pic of the holes and let us see them? are they large or small? As far as the hole you are going to create, there should be no issues with that, especially with where you have it marked out to cut. Quote
(='_'=) Posted May 30, 2012 Author Posted May 30, 2012 thanx!! ill post pics of the finished cut, maybe i will do it before painting... i will also get pics of the holes we need to repair... most of them are because the PO installed hand rails, but he tightened them too much, burying the nut inside the fiber... when i tried to remove the rails for painting, it was really difficult, partly because the nuts were buried and partly because everything was rusted.... so, when i finally removed the bolts, some of them leave a hole, maybe 1/4" in diameter.... besides, there are a couple of places where the original paint, and the current paint, is missing.. so there is a small "depression" i would say, since on some parts you can see the bare fiber, and then next to it, there are 2 layers of paint.... i wanted to fill the depression with something, to make it all the same level..... Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted May 30, 2012 Super User Posted May 30, 2012 To fill the little holes you can use a 2 part epoxy, like JB weld, it's cheap and does well for small repairs, you will however have to put something in the hole to close the gap like a peice of wax paper and stuff it tight, or the epoxy will just settle at the bottom or run clean through the hole, leave about an inch between the top of the boat surface and the wax paper you inserted into the hole, it still may settle a small amount and leave a small dimple, you can overfill the hole a small amount to compensate for that since you have to sand that area anyway. As far as the depressions go you can use sand and fill primer, this will level out the surface by applying several coats over the effected areas if needed, spray each coat, let dry untill it gets tacky, then repeat for each coat over the surfaces that need extra filling, once dry all you need to do is sand to a finished surface. Quote
(='_'=) Posted May 30, 2012 Author Posted May 30, 2012 thanx nitro!! i think all the holes i need to repair are thru holes, so maybe i can put a piece of masking tape on the bottom and then apply the epoxy on the top?? and yes, when it dries i will have to sand it.... and i hadnt thought about using primer to fill in the gaps, but that looks like a better idea than using bondo or something, since the gap it is not too thick... what do you mean by let dry untill it gets tacky ?? to apply a coat, and then let dry a little bit, and then apply another one, without sanding or anything, and maybe while the first one is not completely dry?? Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted May 31, 2012 Super User Posted May 31, 2012 thanx nitro!! i think all the holes i need to repair are thru holes, so maybe i can put a piece of masking tape on the bottom and then apply the epoxy on the top?? and yes, when it dries i will have to sand it.... and i hadnt thought about using primer to fill in the gaps, but that looks like a better idea than using bondo or something, since the gap it is not too thick... what do you mean by let dry untill it gets tacky ?? to apply a coat, and then let dry a little bit, and then apply another one, without sanding or anything, and maybe while the first one is not completely dry?? Yes, but it has to be "sand and fill" primer, the primer is very thick and it will fill in low areas with multiple coats and is very, very durable, a little on the not so cheap side but not bad, it's well worth the investment. Quote
(='_'=) Posted May 31, 2012 Author Posted May 31, 2012 what do you mean "sand and fill"?? is it a type of primer?? or is it a method of application?? Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 1, 2012 Author Posted June 1, 2012 yesterday we had some more progress... my fishing partner and co-owner of the boat went over to my house, as well as a couple other friends, and while having some beer, continued with the sanding.... we noticed some paint was falling appart, so we decided to tear it with spatulas.... we will only sand the keel and the outside, but the upper part of the boat will have to be stripped to remove the old paint flakes.... while we were at it we also removed the markers and the steering wheel, leaving the console ready to be sanded.... i will take pics later tonight.... he also went yesterday to a couple stores looking for the primer, but he couldnt find any... on a fiberglass shop they told him to repair with bondo, so he bought a can of it.... we didnt apply any, since we are still sanding and removing the paint, but i will also use this space to document expenses... so far we have spent $20 in the can of bondo and some sanding paper.... he also got a quote on the paint, they recommended a brand named Imroy or something like that, that is almost $80 per litter.... and he also found the metal flake.... he was told that first we have to paint, and then, mix the flake with a clear coat and apply it, and then apply other 3 coats of clear... is this how you do it?? this weekend we will work hard on preparing the surface and hopefully by next weekend we can begin painting.... Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 1, 2012 Super User Posted June 1, 2012 I am unsure of the name brand, it's new to me. He ment to use a triple stage process. Apply the base color, apply the flake using the clear as an active applicant, then clear coat 3 times. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 1, 2012 Author Posted June 1, 2012 thanx nitro, yes, thats how he described the process.... i think we will have to put a coat of primer, 2 coats of color, one coat of clear with flake, and 3 coats of clear without flake.... seems like a lot of work, but i think it will be worth it... regarding color, we are leaning towards a light gray with green details... what do you think?? my friend likes lime green a lot, and i think the light gray, something like the color of a rat, with green details, would look nice... we were thinking about black with green, but it would look like the Monster boat, the energy drink, besides it would be really hot, so we decided against it... any opinion on colors??? we dont like neither red, nor blue.... Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 1, 2012 Super User Posted June 1, 2012 So you want a rat with chartruse tail ? Sounds more like a top water bait lol. just kidding, it really depends on the wrap, if I knew what the wrap is going to be or look like then maybe I could give some advice. If you want a neon green tint then I would suggest like an evergreen or an emerald green base and use the neon green for the trim. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 1, 2012 Author Posted June 1, 2012 hahahaha yes, a rat with chartreuse tail is more or less what we want.... and the wrap will be designed the same way, with a gray base, and green details... we want the inside of the boat and the carpet to be gray.... the seats would have some green vinyl but the main color would be gray, the console would be gray as well, and everything will be painted will metal flake... and the outside, we plan on painting the keel with the same gray tone, and then design the wraps to blend with the keel... Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 4, 2012 Author Posted June 4, 2012 this weekend was very productive... we removed the motor, and also scrapped off all the old paint, only on the are we are going to paint.... on the area that will have wraps, we will just sand it and leave the wrap shop to do the preparation.... for removing the motor, i wanted to use a motor hoist, but i couldnt find one... a friend used to have one but he sold it... therefore i had to use other methods.... as you can see by my profile pic, rockclimbing is another one of my hobbys.... my fishing partner is also a rockclimber, he even owns a climbing gym... and, besides climbing, we are also route bolters, so we have a Bosch 36V cordless drill, and anchor bolts rated for 22 Kn. so, we placed two bolts in one of my house´s structural crossbars, and hang a 2 ton hoist from there.... in less than 10 minutes we had the bolts in place and the motor hanging from them.... my mother was not too happy from having the motor hanging from her ceiling, and i have yet to tell her that it will be there for about a month.... Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 4, 2012 Author Posted June 4, 2012 after removing the motor, we began scrapping off the old paint.... i quickly discovered that 3 friends and a case of beer is the only way to go... we began with all the boat being like this: and after a weekend of scrubbing, scratching, and drinking, we ended up with this: maybe today we will take the boat to the carwash and thoroughly degrease it and wash it, and tomorrow we will begin with the sanding.... then we will apply bondo to the required areas, and sand again... if everything goes according to schedule, by weekend we may begin applying primer.... Quote
Super User Nitrofreak Posted June 4, 2012 Super User Posted June 4, 2012 Looks like a lot of work, but it also looks like a lot of progress, don't rush it, but I can't wait to see the rest. And your mom will get over it...sooner or later lol. Just remember to fix the holes for her. Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 4, 2012 Author Posted June 4, 2012 thanx!! it was a lot of work, 4 people working half saturday and all sunday, from 9:30 am to 8:30 pm... im glad i had friends willing to help, and they dont even fish, but they arent scared of work and are always willing to have a beer with us.... about the holes... in fact i think i am going to leave the bolts in place.... you cant even see them from the front of the house, only if you know where they are... and, its always usefull to have a small crane in the garage, i dont know what else i may end up lifting there... we removed the motor on saturday, and by sunday my mother was almost OK about it, she even helped us scratch a little paint yesterday night...... Quote
Super User 00 mod Posted June 4, 2012 Super User Posted June 4, 2012 Looking good, and glad your mom didn't freak out! Jeff Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 11, 2012 Author Posted June 11, 2012 more progress this weekend (took pics but havent upload them yet).... we finished applying the bondo to all the dents and nicks it had... we also covered old bolt holes with it.. and we sanded it down until we got a smooth surface.... we also prepared a "painting cabon" in my house, using some big tarps we had laying around in order not to spray my garage.... hopefully today my friend will come home to primer the boat while i am at work... after that we believe some more nicks will show up, which we will bondo, then sand all the primered area, and hopefully by the weekend we will be painting the boat... Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 11, 2012 Author Posted June 11, 2012 after painting we will begin with the construction of the storage spaces and deck extension... so, i have been thinking about the rod locker, and, using an idea someone mentioned here in the first pages, i came up with this setup.... i would use 1.5" water hose, the same i used to connect the drains for the water wells... this hose would be fixed to the original deck, maybe with a slight bent as can be seen in the drawing... i could also use 1 1/2" PVC pipe but only if i can accomodate it to be straight.... then, the new deck would sit on top of the piping, of course it would be properly braced.... so, i would open the lid of the locker, and i would see this holes, hoplefully i can accomodate at least 7 pipes in there.... so i would slide the point of the rods, and the hose or pvc will serve as a guide so the rods dont hit eachother or get tangled or something.... what do you think? would it harm the rods to have a slight bent at the top for a while?? the rods would be there only while fishing, when i get home i would get them out of the locker.... thanx!! Quote
(='_'=) Posted June 12, 2012 Author Posted June 12, 2012 i was hoping to get sme input on the rod locker... hopefully someone will comment later... anyways, we did a good improvement today.... my friend primed the boat while i was at work, and then i changed all the fuel lines... since i had to remove the carbs to change the lines, i also cleaned them... here are some pics of the primed boat.... one of the tarps we used to cover the garage came from a bridal show or something... now, on the motor, i found this fuel line that was cancelled: i couldnt see where it goes, and i dont know there it should be connected on the other end... any ideas?? the boat works as it is right now, with that line cancelled, but i would like to put it in its place if i can do it.... Quote
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