Frog Misses!!!! NOOOO!!!!!

[kbkindle]

i took a split ring and put it on the frog hook where they come to gether at the frogs butt and added a  # 6 triple grip hook

[Dan:]

i took a split ring and put it on the frog hook where they come to gether at the frogs butt and added a # 6 triple grip hook

That would be impossible to use where I fish frogs.

[kbkindle]

i took a split ring and put it on the frog hook where they come to gether at the frogs butt and added a # 6 triple grip hook

That would be impossible to use where I fish frogs.

cut the bottom barb off

[Dan:]

i took a split ring and put it on the frog hook where they come to gether at the frogs butt and added a # 6 triple grip hook

That would be impossible to use where I fish frogs.

cut the bottom barb off

I'm not sure that would help any. I would be cleaning the hook off constantly.

[Gangley]

there shouldnt be hardly any slack in the line.  

[Gangley]

Ok tried my Spro frog again tonight and a fish hit it and took it under and again I got a missile coming back at me. I waited a couple seconds and guess I will try another brand of frog as well cause no hookups is frustrating and its the Spro Jr frog.

My setup is a 6'6" MH Cabelas XMLTi with a Quantum Energy PT 6.3:1 with 12lbs Trilene Mono

ive been having your same problems with the spro, i think ill stick with my snagproof frog never had any problems with it.

also, try braid or flouro instead of Mono.  Mono stretches a lot and can mess up a good hookset.

[Catt]

Dean Rojas's frog gear:

Quantum PT Dean Rojas signature series frog rod

Model: PTC706FDR

Length: 7' 0

Action: Fast

Power: Medium Heavy

Line Weight: 10-25

Lure: ¼-1 ½

Quantum PT Tour Edition Burner casting reel (7:1 ratio)

65-pound Izorline braided line

[ChiCityBasser]

Ok tried my Spro frog again tonight and a fish hit it and took it under and again I got a missile coming back at me. I waited a couple seconds and guess I will try another brand of frog as well cause no hookups is frustrating and its the Spro Jr frog.

My setup is a 6'6" MH Cabelas XMLTi with a Quantum Energy PT 6.3:1 with 12lbs Trilene Mono

ive been having your same problems with the spro, i think ill stick with my snagproof frog never had any problems with it.

also, try braid or flouro instead of Mono. Mono stretches a lot and can mess up a good hookset.

Didn't think about the line factor and the stretch of Mono.

I have another setup already spooled with braid and let me see if I have better results with it

Rod:  Cabelas 6'6" XMLRJ  MH

Reel: Quantum Accurist PT

Line: Berkley Fireline Smoke 30#

I'll use this setup for the frogs and try the other setup for something else.

Thanks

[Bankbeater]

If your fishing in mostly open water try throwing a jitterbug or a popper. That is what I did. I've got a real problem with setting the hook as soon as the bass hits that frog, but I'm slowly learning self control .

[Bass Junkie]

  Thanks for the help guys I just had a day with more stikes, no hook-ups :-[ I would let the fish take out the slack, but as soon as the slack was out, the fish would spit the frog before I could set the hook :-/ I set the hook fast, but no fish........AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ABLE2DISABLE1]

Have you tryed Bending your hook out alittle.

[frogflogger]

We've  had better hookups since we went to Daiwas light and tough frog rod - 50# braid -I have my folks keep crankin' and don't give em a break.

[Bass Junkie]

    Ok, so I just picked up a 7' 1 piece Medium Heavey Field & Stream rod with a Field & Stream Rainier reel (Sweet Setup!!). Will this work for my froggies? I know it took a while for the upgrade, but I got it....LOL. So, with 30lb braid can I expect hookups?

[Gangley]

i use 30 lb braid and a medium heavy 6'6" rod and am very succesful with hookups now, but it wasn't the rod that allowed me to hookup better, it was patience.  The main thing to remember on frog fishing is to wait a second or two before setting the hook.  Once you see or hear the swirl that generally accompanies sucessful frog fishing, reel down to the fish and then set the hook straight up.  That does two things:

1) Gives the bass a chance to swallow the frog nice and deep.  Too often the bass will bite the legs and not the body, and you end up ripping the legs off your frogs when you set the hook.  However, if you give it a second, often times she will let go and inhale it completely if she only had the legs at first. 

2)  By reeling down to the bass, it puts your rod close to the water, and your straight up hookset has enough "oomph" to pierce through the roof of the bass' mouth adequately.  With the larger hooks used with frog fishing, if hooked hard, that bass isnt going anywhere but directly to the livewell when hooked through the roof

ps, I cant stress enough to use a quality hook (Owner, Gamakatsu, Mustad).  Depending on the frog size, hooks can range from 4/0 to 6/0.

[Bass Junkie]

Honestly, I don't think my problems patience. I've had these fish on and fightin', jumpin', and then throwin' the hook. Also, how tight should my drag be for froggies? I usually set it a little loose, so that when I set the hook hard the drag 'ill slip a bit. Is that bad....Okay, I thought so. LOL. I just realized how stupid that was..... So, how tight? I'm deffinatly settin' it tighter, but anyone got a approx. weight settin'? Sorry for the newbness in this arwa. LOL. Gotta learn some time.

[EastTexasBassin]

When I'm froggin, I crank the drag down all the way.  I don't want it to give at all.  I use 65lb power pro and a heavy action rod. 

I don't see any reason for letting a fish pull drag.  Thats just silly to me.  The only concern would be possibly breaking my rod, but it hasn't happened yet.   

[Simp]

Ok, so I just picked up a 7' 1 piece Medium Heavey Field & Stream rod with a Field & Stream Rainier reel (Sweet Setup!!). Will this work for my froggies? I know it took a while for the upgrade, but I got it....LOL. So, with 30lb braid can I expect hookups?

Ok your a lucky guy because I had the exact same set up for a entire year. First lets start with the rod. It will have plenty of back bone and land you tons of fish. There is a design flaw in this rod though. On the bottom of the rod the cork has a tendency to break off. I went threw three rods with the same problem. So you should get some type of wrap or something to prevent this from happening. The rod weighs a ton IMHO and I can't feel jack with it compared to my Carrot stix or Team Diawa rods I own. With that said for frogging it's a good rod to help sink those hooks in.

Now your reel. I personally used mine for one summer and just plain wore it out. The back brake is now messed up causing the handle to go backwards if your not careful. The support bearing are also in bad shape causing a very loud whine and messing up casting performance. With all that said all this happened after about 100-140 frogging trips pulling large fish out of heavy grass. It gave me reliable good service for one season and at 40-50$ on a Dicks real that's about right.

Now on your line choice. I strongly suggest you upgrade the pound test for one reason. Line Diameter! You 30# braid is going to be like the diameter of 6# normal test and that can be very tough to cast on a baitcaster. On a nice easy cast it's not a problem. However when you see something off in the distance and realy need to let it rip to get it there. What will happen is it will end up going about 5 to 10 feet and then it will JAM on you in your reel. You will then pick out the knot and rush to make the cast at the spot. The only problem is even if you get your cast at the spot you want your line has been seriously weekend at the spot it hung in your reel. This could lead to a very good chance of it breaking on a hookset.

I think you will like your rod and real for frogging but expect both to give out on you in time. BTW I personally found I could cast best with the brakes on 2 with no wind and have the lure just glide down slowly on the cast control knob. I might also suggest I found the Citica and Curado 200E reels to cast very similar to the Field and Stream reel. So when you decide to upgrade one day in the future I would HIGHTLY suggest either one.

Also this 6 and 7 pounder were caught on that set up but with 50# braid on a spro frog. So it should be able to get the job done for a season.

[shuddyssoup]

Patience ... take a frog out one day. Cut the hooks off. Fish it and don't set the hook. See how long you can feel him before he spits the bait. I bet you'll be surprised at the time he'll hold it. Might be a valuable lesson in patience. Just a thought. Patience is difficult to learn and with braid it's twice as important since every inch you move the rod, you move the bait. I use braid for spinner baits and went to softer rods because I was taking it away from them. With a frog. different story ... Good luck, it's an exciting way to fish, and oh by the way, FRUSTRATING.

[Bass Junkie]

Oh, thanks a lot. You just totally took the air out of my "New Rig" baloon..........

Are you referring to the Angler series, with the blue thread raps? I can't have my reels, or rods, conckin' out on me........ Especially when I put my money into $110+ of gear!!! > > > > >

   BTW, my reel dosen't have a magnetic control thingy on the side opposing the handle.....This reel is Identical to a pfleugar I saw at Dick's to, except for the color scheme. I mean IDENTICAL. The pfleauger was orange, and this (my) reel is IDENTICAL to the Criterian or however thats spelled, except for  for the magnetic adjustment thing. Also, mine has 8 instead of 5 bearings and is a 6.2:1 gear ratio....

[Simp]

Oh, thanks a lot. You just totally took the air out of my "New Rig" baloon..........

Are you referring to the Angler series, with the blue thread raps? I can't have my reels, or rods, conckin' out on me........ Especially when I put my money into $110+ of gear!!! > > > > >

BTW, my reel dosen't have a magnetic control thingy on the side opposing the handle.....This reel is Identical to a pfleugar I saw at Dick's to, except for the color scheme. I mean IDENTICAL. The pfleauger was orange, and this (my) reel is IDENTICAL to the Criterian or however thats spelled, except for for the magnetic adjustment thing. Also, mine has 8 instead of 5 bearings and is a 6.2:1 gear ratio....

Ok so I made a couple video's of the rod and reel to help explain my experience. I hope it helps and forgive me for having to use the laundry room. It was 1 am when I made it and it was to cold to do it in the garage. My next video I'll make sure to have better lighting too. I also want to point out the back paw or what I call the back brake went out on my friends exact same reel as well.

[The Rooster]

I watched those videos. Seem like some good advice there. I also like those rods at Dick's but I'm into Shimano rods now and since he did mention a butt cap to protect cork I think I'd look also at the Shimano Clarus rod. The MH rod is nice and stiff and should work well for frogs, but these rods come from the factory with a butt cap glued onto the handle that's similar to the one he shows in the video instead of just the cork only so that may help with the cork breaking away when you set a hook with it in your gut. Since you won't be on the cork it shouldn't break. Those rods sell for $70 in the 6'6" range, $80 in the 7' range. They also have lifetime (repeat LIFETIME) warranties so if they do ever break (handle or otherwise) you can get them replaced. As I understand it, paying $15 at the store to cover the shipping of the rod back to the manufacturer will get you a replacement immediately. They have hardloy guide inserts so they can handle braided line as well.

On the reels, I looked at them too and I honestly did not trust them so I passed on them. Sorry. I have no experience with them to really comment other than holding it in the store I just did not like it.

[Bass Junkie]

  Sorry, haven't been on the forum for a couple days,....Finally started goin' into withdrawl though, so I'm back. LOL. Hey, thanks a million for those videos. I really appreciate that. As for the reel, thanks for showin' me that to!!  I don't frog every time I go out, so I'm not gonna be usin' thi setup a lot. If it gets me through 2 seasons I'll be fine with that. It does have a 3 year warranty, but I still am bummed a bit.. LOL. Not anybodies falt hough. I don't blame anyone but the manufacturers. Thanks again.

[The Rooster]

You can always return it can't you??