Copolymer Lines.... For What?

[CTBassin860]

I use 12#Yo-Zuri on my jig rod.No issues whatsoever

[robster80]

I use it for everything..aside from froggin or flippin.  My brand of choice is McCoy. Great stuff 

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[Further North]

I really like Lake Forks co-poly lines.

 

They seem to deliver most of the abrasion resistance of fluoro with the limpness of mono.  Good stuff...really good stuff.  Makes great leaders too.

 

Haven't tried any of the others...they may be better...or worse..or the same.

[Big Bait Fishing]

i know this thread is from 5 years ago but i only use co-poly for swimbaits , namely Gamma co-poly which is dia. to dia. , the strongest line on the market ! it does have a little memory  but most all lines do when you get up in the 25 & 30 lb. lines .

[Angry John]

On 4/14/2017 at 8:12 PM, bma3 said:

Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive? 

Not to bash a product but it is my least favorite line of all of them.  P-line makes some great stuff just not this line...  I like there flouro a lot and am running there 15 lb 100% on my jig rod.  If you want a good co-poly use CXX or YHB.  I have YHB on a lot of my rods but they both work well.

[bma3]

1 hour ago, Angry John said:

Not to bash a product but it is my least favorite line of all of them.  P-line makes some great stuff just not this line...  I like there flouro a lot and am running there 15 lb 100% on my jig rod.  If you want a good co-poly use CXX or YHB.  I have YHB on a lot of my rods but they both work well.

 

Oh ok. I've just used it this [ast week until I can get some 10lb braid and some flouro

[WRB]

Copolymer simply means 2 polymers and monofilament line can be a single Nylon monofilament or a blend Nylon with another grade of Nylon or polyester etc., still is a copolymer monofilament line. 

Yo-Zuri is a co-extruded hybrid the has a fluorocarbon jacket extruded over a copolymer core, not a copolymer line, but a hybrid line. Yo-Zuri gets it's strength from it's oversize diameter, it's larger in diameter than other lines per rated pound test, just a fact.

The subject of mono vs coploy vs hybrid vs FC is blurred beyond salvaging today. Bass anglers are happy calling over size line fat line.

Tom

 

[Angry John]

12 hours ago, WRB said:

Copolymer simply means 2 polymers and monofilament line can be a single Nylon monofilament or a blend Nylon with another grade of Nylon or polyester etc., still is a copolymer monofilament line. 

Yo-Zuri is a co-extruded hybrid the has a fluorocarbon jacket extruded over a copolymer core, not a copolymer line, but a hybrid line. Yo-Zuri gets it's strength from it's oversize diameter, it's larger in diameter than other lines per rated pound test, just a fact.

The subject of mono vs coploy vs hybrid vs FC is blurred beyond salvaging today. Bass anglers are happy calling over size line fat line.

Tom

 

While some of this is true shop line by diameter not rated strength.  The industry likes to "pull the wool over our eyes" and a direct comparison of lines by dia is the only real way to be fair.  I like YHB because of its knot strength compared to flouro and low stretch.  

[Big Bait Fishing]

this is a comparision of 20 lb. lines - (look at the diameter )

 

 

[Marti]

I just read a kvd forum and copolymer is a more durable floro

it doesent dissapere as much but it is more abrasion resistant

It sinks

 

[WRB]

Let's just dump all the monofilamentf Nylon, polyester, Fluorocarbon into one pot and call them what they are mono. It appears copolymer or 2 polymers mixed together has lots it's identity in the fishing line world. Hybrids are co extrusions in the polymer manufacturing world of plastics, Yo-Zuri is a classic co extruded product, the polymers are not blended together as in copolymer, the Fluorocarbon is a jacket extruded over a copolymer core, i.e.; hybrid.

When terminology loses it's unique identity trying to communicate using the same term with different definitions becomes futile.

Tom

[FryDog62]

In the old days I liked straight wines like Merlot or Cabernet... and a “red blend” was just a cheap table wine to avoid.  Now today’s blends are tested to take out as many negatives of one kind of grape and get the better parts of others.  Not perfect but much improved... 

 

I see Co-polymer much the same way ...

[islandbass]

On 4/14/2017 at 6:12 PM, bma3 said:

Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive? 

I would say yes and I’ve used it, and like it, but nothing more magical about it over a comparable mono/fluoro. 

 

Any line, no matter how dense, if completely limp, won’t transmit feedback.  

[burrows]

On 4/14/2017 at 6:12 PM, bma3 said:

Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive? 

It’s got good sensitivity.

[Big Bait Fishing]

On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2012 at 11:48 AM, roadwarrior said:

Yo-Zuri Hybrid is a copolymer blend of nylon and fluorocarbon, bonded not coated. The combination results in a line which is stronger than most with an equivalent diameter. #6 has a width of .010" and a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. The line is noticably more manageable than pure fluorocarbon.

WHY IS YO-ZURI HYBRID™ BETTER THAN OTHER FISHING LINES?

•Strength : Because of the blend of nylon and fluorocarbon our line breaks at a much higher test than listed (see chart).

•Stretch : Hybrid has a lower stretch because of the addition of fluorocarbon. The nylon allows for cast ability. This gives Hybrid more hook setting power.

•Sensitivity : The fluorocarbon blend transfers activity or “feeling” much faster than regular fishing lines. This increased transmission speed allows an angler to feel and react to more bites.

•Wet Strength : Hybrid doesn't absorb water and as a result retains 100% of its dry knot and tensile strength. Regular fishing lines can absorb water which can weaken line up to 30%!

•UV Resistance : Hybrid's fluorocarbon qualities allow it to resist UV light which can weaken line and shorten its durability. Hybrid stays stronger, longer. This Hybrid durability allows the line to last four to five times longer than regular fishing lines.

•Casting Distance : Hybrid's slick finish allows it to easily slide through the guides causing little resistance during the cast and increases distance. The nylon qualities of Hybrid allow it to be softer and more supple line for distance casting.

•Low Visibility : Hybrid's blend of fluorocarbon and nylon allows it to have lower light refractory which means less visibility underwater.

•Abrasion Resistance : The hard, smooth outer feel created by the blend of fluorocarbon and nylon of Hybrid helps resist abrasion from rocks, wrecks, snags, or sharp toothed fish.

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yozuri hybrid in 6 lb. is the size of most brands 10lb. , so breaking at 12 lbs. is nothing to write home about ....

[roadwarrior]

Really...

 

Ande is recognized as the standard for fishing World Records. #6 has the same diameter 

as Yo-Zuri Hybrid.

 

https://andemonofilament.com/pages/line-specs

[FryDog62]

I fished with Berkley 100% Fluorocarbon 6 lb on my spinning gear for many years.  It’s diameter is .010.  I got tired of the stretch and switched to Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lb which also has .010 diameter.  YZH is a much tougher line and a lot less stretch than the Berkley Fluorocarbon.  Did a stretch test on both lines both wet and dry... winner YZH by a wide margin.  I don’t notice an appreciable difference in sink rate or sensitivity. However, Berkley came off the reel like a coiled slinky and frequently fouled up.  YZH I don’t even use line conditioner, let my kids use it, rarely a line management issue...

[Skspacemonkey]

On 2012-04-19 at 2:48 PM, roadwarrior said:

Yo-Zuri Hybrid is a copolymer blend of nylon and fluorocarbon, bonded not coated. The combination results in a line which is stronger than most with an equivalent diameter. #6 has a width of .010" and a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. The line is noticably more manageable than pure fluorocarbon.

WHY IS YO-ZURI HYBRID™ BETTER THAN OTHER FISHING LINES?

•Strength : Because of the blend of nylon and fluorocarbon our line breaks at a much higher test than listed (see chart).

•Stretch : Hybrid has a lower stretch because of the addition of fluorocarbon. The nylon allows for cast ability. This gives Hybrid more hook setting power.

•Sensitivity : The fluorocarbon blend transfers activity or “feeling” much faster than regular fishing lines. This increased transmission speed allows an angler to feel and react to more bites.

•Wet Strength : Hybrid doesn't absorb water and as a result retains 100% of its dry knot and tensile strength. Regular fishing lines can absorb water which can weaken line up to 30%!

•UV Resistance : Hybrid's fluorocarbon qualities allow it to resist UV light which can weaken line and shorten its durability. Hybrid stays stronger, longer. This Hybrid durability allows the line to last four to five times longer than regular fishing lines.

•Casting Distance : Hybrid's slick finish allows it to easily slide through the guides causing little resistance during the cast and increases distance. The nylon qualities of Hybrid allow it to be softer and more supple line for distance casting.

•Low Visibility : Hybrid's blend of fluorocarbon and nylon allows it to have lower light refractory which means less visibility underwater.

•Abrasion Resistance : The hard, smooth outer feel created by the blend of fluorocarbon and nylon of Hybrid helps resist abrasion from rocks, wrecks, snags, or sharp toothed fish.

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Can you use it for top waters?

[FryDog62]

16 minutes ago, Skspacemonkey said:

Can you use it for top waters?

Yes, I have two poles rigged for topwater ... one with braid and the other YZH. Works great and doesn’t foul up with the trebles on casts as much as braid can.  YZH is neutrally buoyant, doesn’t sink the nose of the topwater lure down.  Lowest stretch line you will find outside of braided line.  

[Deleted account]

On 10/25/2017 at 6:34 PM, FryDog62 said:

In the old days I liked straight wines like Merlot or Cabernet... and a “red blend” was just a cheap table wine to avoid.  Now today’s blends are tested to take out as many negatives of one kind of grape and get the better parts of others.  Not perfect but much improved... 

 

I see Co-polymer much the same way ...

A balanced bouquet with just the right blend of intensity in the front end and a pleasing finish hinting at apricots and pears, bold without offending... (I sprayed a little KVD line conditioner on my tongue) I'd rather do that than get near any Merlot, it and gin are the only things I won't drink. 

 

 

[new2BC4bass]

On 4/14/2017 at 9:12 PM, bma3 said:

Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive? 

Don't know.  Tried some (10# I think) on a reel I took to Florida with me.  Reel got set aside the first day of use because the line broke too easily.  Luckily I had a couple spare reels with me.

 

OP  Hopefully it is good for everything, because that is how I use it.  Yes, I have fluoro and braid on a few reels, but mono/co-polymers on the vast majority.

 

I have bulk spools of 8# and 12# AN40 at the recommendation of smalljaw67.  He didn't recommend bulk spools, just AN40.    I like it.

 

 

On 4/14/2017 at 9:12 PM, bma3 said:

 

 

 

[David P]

On 10/29/2017 at 8:59 AM, roadwarrior said:

Really...

 

Ande is recognized as the standard for fishing World Records. #6 has the same diameter 

as Yo-Zuri Hybrid.

 

https://andemonofilament.com/pages/line-specs

That’s cool and all, but that still doesn’t mean there’s not better strength to diameter ratio lines out there... YZH is a decent line, but far from the holy grail that some tout it as. 

[roadwarrior]

Well, I think Hybrid is a good line, but for the past couple of years I have gravitated to

Tatsu and Smackdown with a Tatsu leader for single hook presentations. For treble hooks 

I like Sunline Armilo.  Important exceptions are on a couple on dedicated rigs that are

spooled with Yo-Zuri #4 (8.5 lb breaking strength).