Osprey39 Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 I'm currently using a Quantum Incyte on my lighter spinning outfit. I like this reel but for one thing. I can only use it for about half a day before the line starts twisting badly. I know you're going to get line twist with spinning reels but this one seems especially bad about it. I've used several different kinds of line on it and none seem to lessen the issue. So basically I am looking for the best spinning reel for alleviating line twist. I'd like to stay at about $100 or less and I am totally open minded on brands. Let me know your suggestions! Quote
Jigs 4 Pigs Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 I had a Pflueger President 6730 and it was very smooth and overall a great reel, but i was having trouble with the line twisting up on it. I eventually upgraded to a Shimano Sustain 2500FE and later down the road i picked up the Stradic Ci4 2500F, I know the Shimanos are not under $100 but I've been fishing them hard for about 2 years and I can't remember the last time I had a problem with line twist. Sold the Pflueger to my cousin, now I get to watch him have the same problems I used to have. Love them Shimano's! Quote
outdoorsman110 Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 The Pflueger President 9000 series, their micro version is absolutely amazing! Quote
von Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 Just a thought, maybe it's not the reel, but the way you're spooling your line onto the reel. If it's twisted at the beginning, the whole spool is going to be twisted no matter what. When you first spool line on, after 10 turns of the handle, stop and take a look at you're line. If it starts to double over on itself, flip the spool of line over and turn the handle a couple more times, stop, look, and repeat until you don't see it twisting on itself. Or possibly, it could be the lure you are throwing. Such as, in-line spinners (rooster tails) will greatly increase your chances of line twists because of the way they spin. That's if you tie directly to the line without a swivel. And if you still believe it's the reel, you should definitely look for a reel that has a bearing supported line roller. That should help with less line twists. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted April 18, 2012 Super User Posted April 18, 2012 No matter how the line is loaded line twist will still occur due to a number of reasons. Baits that turn over like flukes and spoons, swivels help but own't prevent it. I've had brands that don't seem to twist up nearly as bad, shimano and daiwa. Just the act of cranking line in will twist mono line as the line gets wrapped around the spool, that movement cause line twist, manually closing the bail will not prevent line twist but it's a good practice for other reasons. I think it's a good idea to troll your line out before your outing or last thing you do so it's ready for the next trip. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted April 18, 2012 Super User Posted April 18, 2012 Trolling your line is a great way to start any trip. My recommendation for your new reel is the Shimano Symetre. Shop around and it should come in under budget. Quote
Osprey39 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Posted April 19, 2012 I've seen a lot of good comments about the Symetre and Stradic reels. Stradic is a bit more than I like to spend on a reel but the Symetre is right in my wheelhouse plus Cabelas is offering free shipping on reels right now so I think I will try one out. Thanks all. By the way, it's not the lures I'm using. This thing will get twisted up fast just fishing drop shot rigs and I don't think those put a whole lot of twist in the line. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted April 19, 2012 Super User Posted April 19, 2012 By the way, it's not the lures I'm using. This thing will get twisted up fast just fishing drop shot rigs and I don't think those put a whole lot of twist in the line. Another option is using braid. Quote
Osprey39 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Posted April 19, 2012 Another option is using braid. Not for me Seriously, I hate braid. It's hard to tie knots with, hard to trim the tag end on your knots and it is too expensive for my liking. I use fluoro on just about every reel I have except for my topwater rod (learned real quick that the sinking fluoro will pull smaller topwaters down with it.) I know a lot of guys on this forum love braid but I refuse to use it. Oh and by the way, it still twists on a spinning reel and good luck getting braid twist knots undone when you get one. I appreciate all the input from everyone. I ordered the Symetre last night so it should be here in a few days. Quote
Super User tomustang Posted April 19, 2012 Super User Posted April 19, 2012 Not for me Seriously, I hate braid. It's hard to tie knots with, hard to trim the tag end on your knots and it is too expensive for my liking. Learning one braid knot isn't hard and carrying scissors will fix 2 of this problems. Far as the price goes its not bad considering braid can last longer which means less purchasing Quote
Osprey39 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Posted April 19, 2012 Tom, I have scissors and they rarely cut through the thinner braid on the first try. I'm perfectly happy with fluorocarbon. I rarely lose a fish because the line broke. When I lose one it's almost always because they threw the hook. When I have lost them to broken line in the past, it's almost always shortly after thinking to myself that I should re-tie because the line is frayed Personally I just don't have any reason to use the stuff and lots of reasons not to. Quote
Super User Darren. Posted April 20, 2012 Super User Posted April 20, 2012 Braid for mainline, anything else as leader. You only have to change leaders, tie 'em on with an albright, 7--10 wraps up, 5-8 wraps back down, or a uni-to-uni. Best of both worlds. Get used to braid for mainline, and a single spool of whatever will last you a very LONG time. I use BPS aluminum pliers with tungsten cutting blades to cut the braid and leader. Best cut for both. Clean and efficient. Got on sale for $20. I'll second the Symetre. Personally a huge fan of the Stradic, but Symetre is a fine reel in her own right. Today I caught a 5 and 3.5 pounder. Retied after each one. A lesson learned is a lesson not forgotten! (retying often, that is). Quote
Super User iceintheveins Posted April 20, 2012 Super User Posted April 20, 2012 Go with the symetre, or a Pflueger President. The Abu Garcia Orra S is good too. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted April 20, 2012 Super User Posted April 20, 2012 I never carry a scissors, just extra gear I don't need to carry. Just about any pliers will rip it, and pliers with titanium cutters will make a clean cut. I don't want a clean cut, I burn my braid with a bic, now I have little nib on the end and pull thrus are greatly reduced, I do it this way for hooks and swivels not joining lines. Don't use those aluminum pliers to cut wire, the blades will get a notch in them (I can show you 4 or 5 pairs), use a wire cutter. Quote
NBR Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Spinng reels twist line one way one the retrieve and it untwists on the cast, net affect nil. Look at the root cause of your line twist. Possibilities are: 1. Twisted when you spooled the reel. 2. Your bait is spinning - poor rigging with plastics or spinning lure like a Blue Fox etc. 3 Cranking while the drag is slipping - absolutetly a big time cause of twist. 4. Maybe defective reel - I have heard of this as an issue but never experienced personally. I had not considered the line twist when reeling with a slipping drag since I use a tight drag and back reel when I need to give te fish some line. Then one spring I was respooling a reel and forgot to tighten the drag after a winter with it fully loose. Wow, what twist. Quote
Osprey39 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Posted April 20, 2012 Spinng reels twist line one way one the retrieve and it untwists on the cast, net affect nil. Look at the root cause of your line twist. Possibilities are: 1. Twisted when you spooled the reel. 2. Your bait is spinning - poor rigging with plastics or spinning lure like a Blue Fox etc. 3 Cranking while the drag is slipping - absolutetly a big time cause of twist. 4. Maybe defective reel - I have heard of this as an issue but never experienced personally. I had not considered the line twist when reeling with a slipping drag since I use a tight drag and back reel when I need to give te fish some line. Then one spring I was respooling a reel and forgot to tighten the drag after a winter with it fully loose. Wow, what twist. With all due respect, you're the only person that I have ever heard say that spinning reels don't cause line twist inherently. I've been fishing with them for a long time (I'm no spring chicken anymore) and it's always been an issue albeit never to the extent that it is with this particular reel. In my experience with other reels, I could easily fish with them all day and not have problems with line twist. This one won't even make it half a day before I start to get them. Quote
flippin and pitchin Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 You'll be happy with your Shimano. Quote
G_money Posted April 22, 2012 Posted April 22, 2012 Trolling your line is a great way to start any trip. My recommendation for your new reel is the Shimano Symetre. Shop around and it should come in under budget. X2...shimano's line management system is the best in the business...the more expensive reels are better but the symetre is good for the price. If you're willing to spend roughly 120-130 the Saros is a better reel. Quote
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