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Thanks! I funks wit that, I'm sold. I have a couple I haven't really tried, I'll put'em in the box for this season. Two on 2 rods at the same time sounds like a blast, how'd you manage getting them in the boat? And I'm with you on small waters, big waters suck on a kayak without a motor. I just only have like 5/6 places within about a half hour, maybe if i expand the territory it'll help. Problem is getting out at like 8pm means I gotta fish till at least 1am so if I'm an hour away that's a long night. Less of an issue when I'm 20 minutes away. But maybe I'll do the same in Maine, I'll look farther away for small water opportunities, but then I'm also taking a risk for one of my few times to get out up there to maybe be fishing a big puddle that doesn't have fish in it. I've been caught casting into flooded ditches that absolutely don't have fish, but I just gotta double check haha

I appreciate the summary 😁 I've slept on the underspin, I'll give it a go. I'll be having another baby, so this season will be stunted, but I'm hoping to get to Maine a couple times because where I am in MA sucks. Maybe i just gotta start looking at waters an hour away or so in any direction to find something worth spending more time on.

@Smokinal shared, now it's your turn @Swamp Girl 😁 I caught like 5 orb6 off a spot last year and felt pretty good, I think max in a full trip was like 10/11. I did lose a couple chunks last year too so there's that for me to think about all winter long 😮‍💨 I'm hoping to start earlier than I ever have before in my life. I'll be having another baby soon, so my time will be drastically cut down this season. I've never fished next to snow before, but if the water gets wet enough to cast into and there's still snow/ice around I just might give it a go. But I can't see a fish happening until some time in April

Well that's exactly what I was getting at, all the worth while reels are $200 or higher, and that's where TW makes the difference. BPS 40-79.99 = $10. 25%-12.5% TW 50-100 = $10. 20%-10% BPS 80-119.99 = $20 25%-16% TW 100-150 = $20. 20%-13% BPS 120-174.99 = $30 25%-17% TW 150-199.99 = $30 20%-15% BPS 175-219.99 = $40 23%-18% BPS 220-499.99 = $50 22%-10% TW 200-299.99 = $50 25%-16% TW 300-399.99 = $70 23%-18% TW 400-500 = $90 23%-18% TW 500-600 = $100 20%-17% TW 600-700 = $120 20%-17% TW 700+ = $150 22% But you right though, the shipping fee eats into it.

Looks like percentage wise TW is better value

@bulldog1935 I really appreciate all the info, poking around it looks like they're priced a bit above my head, for just the grip/seat I can't swing that right now. Feel like my best bet is bumping into an old pistol grip speed stick at a garage sale or something. I'd rather not a pistol grip, but beggers and be choosers and I just like the idea of a recessed grip, it looks quite ergonomic.

@bulldog1935 looks proprietary, I was hoping to buy the recessed grip/reel seat and add my own blank. Pretty sweet though man

What rod is this?

@bulldog1935 so you mean the zero adjuster will actually be truly zero adjust? Like people won't be able to loosen and remove it which means they can't swap spools?

I hear you

What do you mean here? How does it make it so we can't use aftermarket spools?

Much appreciated my man You have any experience with the tat elite?

Necessary is my point, now you're informed. I've shared my experiences and knowledge and you can make a more informed decision. Of course we take all reviews with a grain of salt, you could have a great experience with any of those companies. But I share why I recommend avoiding them, and then you go with them anyway and have a bad experience, it could've been avoided. Plus being quiet about our experience just empowers the companies to abuse their position over the consumer. I tried writing a review of a product on one of those vendors websites and they kept deleting it, it was an honest review about my experience and they hid it from the public. That is deceptive and dishonorable, and you would never be warned if I kept it to myself. I don't just write companies off because of one minor inconvenience, I don't put companies on blast for no good reason. I often give second chances, and the biggest thing is customer service. After I speak with a company and they double down on their deception or poor customer service, I'm comfortable sharing that with the public. My point is that the community needs to be able to have open and honesty discussions about their experiences with products or companies, because that's how we learn and grow and make better choices. And sometimes companies start to feel the backlash and they make changes to improve. I'm not just out here talkin trash, I'm trying to inform people and maybe make a company take a closer look at themselves

Wicked funny bro, I thought you thought i was asking about the difference between the zillion and the Amazon sale zillion (jdm) That's the only difference for the HD? That's crazy

Whats the difference between the regular zillion and the HD? And did you get the HD on Amazon sale? Thanks, I'll check the express train. Do it just let them sit in it for a while and Swirl it around? Could I just use 90% isopropyl?