I have been fishing a small river here on the Tn./NC border almost ever other day for the last two weeks. I have caught atleast 12-15 every evening most being between 9-14". All I am using is a BPS 3" spring grub in apleseed green and salt & pepper w/ chart. tail rigged on a 1/8 oz. jig head. I have caught 5 or 6 close to 3 lbs. The water is VERY clear, but if I can find a good rock to flip under I will usually get one. My friend has caught several on panther martin spinners, but not really any good ones. Hope this helps.