radiozephyr

Unfortunately this is not true in all cases. For example, comparing two 5/0 hooks from Owner (flashy swimmer vs twistlock light)... they're both built around EWG style hooks with similar lengths (one is 2mm longer than the other), but flashy swimmer has significantly more gap (25.5 mm vs 20 mm). Makes sense considering that one is built for minnow style baits while the other is build for senkos, but it's something to keep in mind. The issue is even more annoying with jigs and jig heads because a heavier weight takes up more real estate along the hook shank. Even within the same product line, the 1/8 oz version might be 5 mm longer than the 3/8 oz version. Doesn't sound like a lot but it becomes an issue if you're already pushing the limits of what your bait can accommodate.

Honestly this seems pretty accurate even though its an oversimplification

Man, thank you for taking the time to type all that out. You know exactly what I'm trying to do. May I ask what rods you use for your jigs that use the Gamakatsu #114 5/0, and #604 5/0? If you know the line and lure rating of those rods it would help me correlate to other rods as well.

I don't mind using line test instead of lure weight if that's the case. I just want to build some sort of correlation like: Rod Approx Line Rating Approx Lure Rating Approx Hook Diameter ML 4 – 10 lb 1/16 – 3/8 oz less than 1 mm M 8 – 15 lb ¼ – 5/8 oz 0.8 – 1.4 mm MH 12 – 20 lb 3/8 – 1 oz 1 – 1.6 mm H 14 – 25 lb 1/2 – 1 1/2 oz greater than 1.2 mm I somewhat pulled those numbers out of I disagree, although based my experience measuring and testing different hooks, it seems decently accurate. I'm just asking for help refining the chart. I have a bunch of hook/jig diameters recorded, and I'm cross referencing that data against any info I can find online regarding what rods people use. That's why I asked specifically about the 5/0 flashy swimmer (1.7 mm) and gammy super heavy cover (1.8 - 2 mm depending on size). I know there's a million variables here, but we can all agree that we're not throwing any 5/0 flipping hook on any ML spinning rod under any circumstances. So there has to be some rough guidelines you could develop, even if they are super rough.

I'm not trying to figure out the minimum diameter you can use without bending -- I'm trying to figure out the maximum diameter you can use while still getting a good hook set. Approximately. For example, my medium baitcaster (1/4 -5/8 oz) is just barely stiff enough for me to get a good hook set using a wire diameter of 1.5 mm. Open hook, braided line, no coating. So 1.5 mm is the absolute maximum I would recommend for rods that go up to 5/8 oz. I'm asking if anyone has experience fishing with hooks heavier than 1.5 mm and if so, what rod/ lure rating can get they away with using.

I'm trying to create a rough chart for matching hook wire diameter to rod power. For example, my medium light spinning rod (1/16 - 3/8 oz) does best with hooks that are <1 mm. Maybe 1.1 mm if I'm using an exposed hook. This means that I can sometimes get away with using the 4/0 or 5/0 gamakatsu EWG hook, but I'm usually better off with the 2/0 or 3/0 (especially if rigging weedless). Has anyone used a 3/8 oz flashy swimmer (1.7 mm for anyone who's curious) or any of the gamakatsu super heavy cover worm hooks? If so, what's the lightest rod you're willing to use with those? I recognize that there's other factors to consider like line stretch plastic firmness hook coatings whether your bait is screw-locked But as mentioned I'm just trying to create some rough guidelines. Thanks in advance

Thanks for the input, this is the exact idea. I'm not trying to get into the business of selling baits, necessarily. I just want to build a front-end that helps anglers identify what they're looking for (or at least narrow down the search), regardless of where they shop. Also, I'm with you on ChatGPT feeling pretty suspect. Every sentence ChatGPT puts out just reeks of AI to me. Also the tackle recommendations it gives is often questionable (see my reply to Tennessee Boy)

Thanks for the suggestion! Using ChatGPT is something I've investigated - it has the "brain" power to do what I want. The problem is that ChatGPT only has access to information that is already available. Moreover, ChatGPT doesn't know it's own limitations and often doesn't understand what the user is truly asking for. For example: It understood the length and weight requirement, but none of those are grubs. More importantly, none of them float. Something like a Z-man baby goat would have been a great recommendation based on my input. But since those other baits have been strongly associated with "buzzbait" across the internet, they took priority. Hell, ChatGPT might have even ruled out the baby goat since its weight isn't explicitly published on any popular site. Also, when you asked ChatGPT for white 1/2 oz casting jigs, the first recommendation it gave was a swim jig... If I build a website I want people to view it as providing trustworthy info 😅

I'm thinking about building a website that makes it easier to find specific pieces of tackle. For example, being able to filter for jig heads that weigh 1/16 oz would be helpful, instead of having to check each product page individually. So far I was thinking about including the following categories: Soft plastics sorted by length Soft plastics sorted by weight (if I can get my hands on enough lures to weigh them) Jigs/ jig heads sorted by weight Hooks sorted by size (or length if I can measure them) Do you guys think this idea is legit? If so, what other kinds of info would you want to see?

Yeah, I like the 1/0 hook for the 6" worm too. Interesting that everyone else in this thread has said 2/0 for the 6". But 1/0 is light wire, plus I feel like the smaller hook gives a more finesse action.

You drop shot both the 4.5" and 6" worm on a 1/0? or just the 4.5"?

Wondering what sizes ya'll use for weedless drop shotting these baits: 4.5" finesse worms (e.g. 4.5" roboworm or zoom finesse worm) 6" roboworm 6.5" zoom trick worm 7" roboworm Again, I'm asking about roboworm ReBarb hooks specifically. Not any other brand/ line of hooks. Also: Does your answer change if you plan on t-rigging those baits instead dropshotting?

In terms of overall shape, they all seem pretty similar to me. And I think I've seen that people will use Wow, accidentally hit submit before I wanted to ?‍♂️ Shame I can't figure out a way to delete posts lol. Anyway, I think I've seen that people will use have used them interchangeably and they all seem to have a similar shape to me. Do you think they fall under the same umbrella?

Yeah, I figured as much. Do you think anglers would find it useful if there was a database that contained all of this information? That way you could just search up exactly what you need. For example, say you need a craw style trailer for your finesse jig but you don't want anything too heavy. You could just go to some website and search up 2"-2.5" creature bait weighing between 0.15 and 0.2 oz

Same here. I can't tell you how many times I've bought a new bait and then had to buy 2 or 3 different hooks to figure out which one pairs well. Or I'll buy a bait but it's heavier than expected so the entire rig ends up feeling a bit too heavy. Lots of wasted tackle indeed, but I guess part of this is just a consequence of online shopping.