Phil77

This is what they need to bring back. I had a chance at a used one years ago and still kick myself for not pulling the trigger on it.

See Daiwa already has the patent and trademark for these, would it kill them to at least do a limited or test release? I would hand them my wallet if they would put out some non twing or zero adjuster versions of the older zillion, pixy, Sol, and Fuego. Guess they just don't think those older reels would catch the eye of the younger generation.

Unless the wind is screaming like today I hardly rely on the brakes and run them very low on most my reels. Now when I'm doing that it's just wrist flicks, not putting elbows or shoulders into it and it's worked great for years. Well it's set how I like it and I'm sure I could tie on a 3/4 jig and six inch paddle tail and spool it if I wanted to.

Jesus, I put the boost spool in my steez SV tw before even casting the zillion. The steez with it's stock spool would get hardly any distance maybe 80 feet with a casting plug. The boost spool in my steez was zipping with the dial on 2. Now swap over to the zillion and go to the lake first 10 casts work down from 10 on the dial to 4 and it starts fluffing. On 5 no problems but go down one and if fluffs not blowing up but close. Now at this point I've done what I've done with every other reel for the past 25 years and lightly increase spool tension to get it to stop looping/fluffing. I didn't lock it down but I couldn't go lower than a 4 without adding more tension which may stress may have made the handle bind on retrieve. So now that I've thoroughly explained it please tell me the right way because that way has worked for me just fine for a couple decades. It's worked on any other reel I've ever had but apparently I don't know what I'm doing.

Hey I just pointed out the looks and the problems I had with the brakes not getting as low as I'd like. I thought the point of this board was to post about firsthand experience with these reels or is that only if it's a glowing non critical experience? My daughter is out here with me today using a stock SD with an 1/8 jig and bobby garland. This is her 5th one to my 0. The zillion is doing fine with the same jig and the brakes on 10. I run most of my spools loose or with wiggle however you want to define it. I couldn't cast the zillion without it fluffing on 4 with the factory setting. So enlighten me, what was I doing wrong? Are we not allowed to tighten spool tension anymore either? It wasn't locked down.

Now yours has some style, blue is not my color but that is definitely an improvement. Jesus you'd think I called someone's kid or wife ugly. I never said it was a bad reel, it just doesn't do anything better than any of my other reels except the steez. Honestly I've got reels at half the price of this one that perform better based on my first seven hours with it. I'm sure that will cause a tsunami of butthurt amongst the daiwa diehards as well. I really like the spool but the rest of it is just bleh for me. I ordered a boost spool for my steez last night so that reel will finally leave the rod locker and join my lites on the deck. Hey if you like it fine, I just don't think its superior to any other reels at it's price point.

Oh come on Phish how many times are other reels criticized on here? God forbid someone doesn't bow down to the alter of the almighty silver curado lol. I'll take the "cantankerous goofball" as a compliment. Anyhoo today will be the true test, weightless trick worm and 10+mph wind. Thank the fish gods I am armed with the almighty Hyperdrive Design, Hyperdrive Digigear, Hyper Tough Clutch, and not to forget HYPER ARMED HOUSING! All hail Zillion, may Hyper protect us.

actually i can palm the zillion without feeling it either. Just dont like the location, the new pro ti and their premier have the dial in the same place so ill be skipping those as well.

I can palm the lews without feeling the dial or plaque, not so much with the silver curado.

Oh no, dad made me promise to never even spool line on it so it's going to stay that way. I've been tempted over the years but knowing my luck some rare bird with acidic poop would fly over and crap on it ruining the color or some other one in a million case of bad luck. It looks great behind my bar next to a bottle of Crown. I want to say there was a joe camel or maybe Marlboro themed baitcaster my uncle had years ago, I swear he had a Marlboro miles travel two piece spinning rod combo with a branded case or duffle.

I learned how to use a baitcaster with the best brake system ever invented, the VBS. After using those for years most of the time with 5 off 1 on for pretty much everything except throwing into wind I don't rely much on brakes. With the brakes set low I can simply wrist flick or lightly roll cast with great distance and hardly any effort. I go out for eight to ten hours most times so in order to not get fatigued it works in my favor. I might crank the brakes up around trees and docks or other areas where precision is key. So needless to say I don't think the reel is set up wrong it just needs more spool tension to stop the free spool below four. The first thing most people do when told not to touch something is to immediately touch it, I'm one of those people. I've readjusted the zero adjuster on my steez many times and it still works.

Just to be clear I don't hate Daiwa, hell I'd bet most of the die hard Daiwa fans don't even know these exist let alone own one. My dad won this one in an old b.a.s.s. or maybe FLW tournament. My proudest shelf queen, just wish he didn't lose the lure that came with it.

Puts on my lews hoodie and goes to cry in the corner. Ohh the pain.

I've been one of the top five boosters/donors for the kids bass club for over a decade way back when it was still hooked on fishing HOFNOD. I don't see how it's an insult to give it to an 18 year old who could very well go pro-Am if he had a boat and some sponsors behind him. If he doesn't want it which I highly doubt, I'll take 250 and you can pay the shipping.

After seven hours and twenty two fish I can say for me personally the lite is definitely more comfortable. The zillion feels like a magnetic Curado 200K and I don't mean that in a bad way, that's just how the profile feels to me. It is a good caster but I cant get as good of control at lower settings as my ACB reels without it fluffing. This is the first SV reel I've had that doesn't feel over-braked, feels like the old TDZ/Zillions with magZ just have the fluffing issue on 4 and below. I can see why guys who have only had Tat SV's brag about the casting distance it is a major improvement to those and even my steez SV. I think I paid two hundred or maybe a bit more for the aluminum lite a few years ago so adjust for inflation and they are probably close in price so for me I'd choose the lews for ergonomics and a slight edge on casting for max distance without it blowing the spool up. The zillion does get a slight advantage in that the brake system is maintenance free, only takes a couple minutes to clean and re lube the ACB but most bass fishermen can barely check their outboard oil so I doubt they oil their centrifugal brakes as often as needed. Not the second coming of baitcasters for me but its a nice reel, I'm just spoiled to the LFS and SLP profile of the lews reels. Do any of you remember the 50th anniveresery Zillion? It was iron man red and a limited edition, now if daiwa blended the looks of that reel with this spool I would convert in a heartbeat. Hopefully they release a boost spool zillion with the classic porting on the hood and a more traditional zillion look and feel, I would probably have to have that too. Based on today I will most likely order a boost spool for my steez, just has a way more comfortable profile for me and give the zillion to a kid at the high school bass club. The kid graduates this year and is a natural with a jig and has outfished me in the back of my own boat. His home life is like a jerry springer show but he's a hardworker and hopefully getting an academic scholarship so this reel will make a good graduation present. I am going to use the spool in my steez till the other one gets here.