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That is for the 2009 models. 2010 models are $199

Man that stinks!! Too bad you didnt have an internet-capable smart phone to look it up really fast before releasing it.

Not overkill. But please do try less expensive rods/reels, even cheap ones from time to time. You don't want to loose appreciation for the finer aspects of your top quality fishing reels.

Yea I am going to have to just throw some line and see how each performs. I just didnt know if having a too large reel arbor would reduce casting distance/ accuracy. I used to hear that smaller arbors increase line twist though. Is that still an accurate statement? I am sure the new Shimano takes steps to prevent that. Who knows, a new black and red reel might be coming up the pike lol

eehhh well you know how it is. You hold onto something and the moment you sell it, you wind up needing it or wanting it back lol

Yea the 2500 and the 3000 are the same frame size. Only real difference is the spool capacity and handle. It didn't feel weird on the rod. But I havent casted anything with it yet. Im going to try it out this weekend. Thanks for the input!

Yea I was tempted to do that at the store... but I already have unassigned reels lying around. The last thing I need is to drop another few hundred LOL But believe me, I was tempted!!!

Hey guys, I have a question. I just purchased a 6'6 Ultralight Avid spinning rod. I was thinking of putting my un-assigned Stradic MgFb 3000 on it but I wasnt sure if it was too large and throw things out of balance. The rod is rated for 2-6lb line. The Stratic holds 230 yards of 6lb. and has a great drag. My other option is to use my President 6720 on it. The drag isn't as nice but would work. What do you guys think? Is the Stradic to large? or go with the President. Thanks all! Vic

I pull out some line. As much line as I can possibly throw out with one cast, then about 10 yards more. Then I use a piece of black electrical tape and tape down the line on my reel at that point. That will prevent backlashes from going past that taped point. Now it wont stop backlashes, but it will make it easier to pull and wont go down to deep. After a while you get better but it still happens to us all once and a while.

Thanks guys again for all the help. Exchanged it at the store and the guy said he never heard that noise from a stradic before. New one is MUCH more quiet with just the sweet rotor whirl Much happier now.

I agree with burleytog 100%. I service tons of Stradic's and the only thing you can hear is the swishing sound of the bail wire and bail arms as the rotor is turning. Thanks guys for the input. But it is certainly not the rotor or the whirling of the rotor/bail. I know because I took off the rotor. I thought it was that also at first. The noise was just as bad. I had it to where the bearing housing was visibile but the "whoosing/scratchy" noise is coming from under the bearings near the center from the rotating shaft. It also seems to get louder when I have it on a left hand retrieve and not as lound when I switch it to right hand retrieve again. It all seemed properly lubricated also. Any other ideas of what it could be? Thanks all!

That's what I thought guys. After reading so much about these reels. It felt smooth but I am kicking myself for not hearing it at the store. Appreciate it guys!

Hey all, quick question for Stradic owners if you have a moment. I just purchased a Stradic mgfb 3000. When I came home to and put it on my rod, I noticed that it makes a pretty bad 'whooshing' noise. It kind of sounds like bearings that dont have oil or metal brushing on plastic or something. I didnt hear it to bad at the store but it was prettt loud in there. But I sure hear it now. Everything looks properly lubricated. I do plan on exchanging it tomorrow, but I wanted to see if others are silent or not. Thanks all!

Ok just got a call back today from the manufacturer manager. He very nice and informative. He told me he had a call regarding worms in flounder filets and asked me to tell him the story. Good listener. He apologized about it and told me that they were probably some sort of nemotode but couldnt positively ID the parasite without seeing it. Then I told him that I don't mind the worms since I have seen thousands in my time fishing and that I wanted to know their freezing temps, holding times and procedures to ensure that any eggs/larvae were killed. He was very nice about it again and had all the answers about that without having to look anyhting up. So the filets are bagged then frozen to -10 F. They hold it for a minimun of 72 hours but usually are frozen to that temp for weeks or even months during the holding, shipping, and packaging process. So this would have killed any parasites and their eggs. I readily agreed and those temps satisfied me. He also said that Walmart regulates and mandates those temperatures for their fish. In the end he was cool about it. Sent me some free fish coupons. Apologized about the quality control missing those filets and took note to watch out for the future filets. Having worked in customer service before, he was a real pro at it especially for being a manager. So I feel satisfied with the response. Ill even pick up another packge and other fish with those coupons to see how wormy those filets are LOL Thanks for the help and interest everyone! Keep on posting and ill keep following also.

Well 140 is the cooking tem that is needed to kill Anisakis and its larvae. Thats why 140 was the mark. As far as Walmart, it is a Walmart branded item so they are the ones I needed to contact to find the manufacturer. All the package says is "distributed by Walmart" product of *gulp* China. And at $2.50 a pound, I doubt they would have thrown back a wormy fish. I want to purchase another bag just to see how wormy those filets are. But I learned my lesson on frozen fish now! I will be checking every darn inch of them from here out. Yea one of my questions for the manufactuer will be about their freezing and storage process. Apparently if it is Anisakis, they need to be frozen at -4 F for a few days for 100% kill. If frozen at just 20 degrees F then larvae may still survive the process (about 3-10%). So I need to find out exactly how cold the freezers are and how long it was frozen. Walmart freezers are at a near 0 so that helps. But I just want to be sure. Hey as long as its cooked 140 and up its all jus protien ;D

It was Walmart Brand Frozen Flounder Filets. They are going to give me a call this week so I can ask them some questions about their freezing process. I am almost sure it is anisakis worms. I looked at the remainer of the package and i saw another filet with worms visible just under the surface and black eggs. BAD BAD Walmart!! I did steam it though, but I have to test to see if the internal temp reaches 140 when steaming.

It was frozen flounder filets. Not one I caught. I called the company and they are contacting the manufactuer now to ask them some of the questions I needed answers to. But it will take a few day. Yea, I get worms once a while when fileting but I take them out LOL I just thought most comapnies would do the same. But I will post when I hear for sure. I just thought someone here might now beforehand. I know freezing got the worms and the steaming. But sometimes the eggs can survive unless kept at below 0. That was one of my main questions was the freezing temp. Yea I completely agree, but there is alwasy that 1% chance that it can be something worse. I catch fish with worms also but I take them out and cook it really good. I just let my guard down because I assumed the company would do the same. But now I know better lol Thanks everyone for the help and questions so far. Vic

Ok I ate some steamed flounder filets and found this inside after I ate about half the portion. It was previously frozen but I wanted to see if anyone could help me ID this bug. I am pretty sure the freezing would have killed any eggs but I wanted to see if I had anything more to worry about. IDing the worm is the first step I guess. Thanks in advance all! It was found inside the flakes of the flesh if that helps. Here are the pics. I am thinking Nematode or anisakis but I dont know. Ohh the yellowish color might be from the pickling juice I kept it in. It was beige in color originally.

OHH! and the Chernobyl Ant! That one kills the gills arround me.

I completely agree about being patient and not casting to hard. Let the rod do the work. And although I am all about "use what works best for you" and having fun. I do have to respectfully disagree on letting the wrist do the work though, for beginers. In fact, optimally, the wrist shouldn't break (bend) while casting. "One of the most important things you're gonna have to get used to in fly casting versus spin/bait casting is we don't break our wrist in the fly cast. Your motion is from the elbow, or at times the shoulder, through to the rod." Article goes on to mention why: http://www.kenhoward.net/Articles/10%20Fly%20Casting%20Intro.htm But, again, using what works for you and having fun is most important!

I enjoy flyfishing for beam ,dare to say it, better than flyfishing for bass. It is some of the most fun fishing there is. Bites are plenty, fight is plenty. If you want more fight go with a lower weight rod and line say a 3/4 and matching line. You will need some leader. You dont really need tippet (the part that connects to the leader). You should get a little dracon line backing though for the reel. Probably about 10 yards or so for bream. They won't make any huge runs like trout. As for flies, go with poppers, nymphs, small shrimp, small spinners, just about anything. I have most fun with poppers though.

I recommend staying away from the baitcasters for a 9 year old's first fishing trip. A spinning reel or spincaster would be best. When you had trouble with a spinning reel was it because of the line springing up on you causing a big tangle? If so, I recommend going for a "Braided Line" 10-15lb test. It is much more manageable. You wont get any of the twists in the line as you would with regular fishing line. The reason I say stay away from a baitcaster is because it takes a lot of work and learning to use one efficiently. His first few trips should be easy and fun. Learning to love the time with you. That being said also, bass are exciting to catch but for a first trip, hit the bluegills. Catching more is better than catching bigger for a child that age. Vic

My first baitcaster was so cheap it didnt even have a spool tension knob! It was 15$ and it included the rod also.

Anytime, I love this forum and got lots of help when I was learning to fish traditional gear. And you can always upgrade reels later also. But once you start learning to cast and flyfish, you will see why the rod is so much more important in casting fly fishing. You wont even notice the reel unless it causes balance issues. Good luck and keep us updated! Feel free to ask questions anytime. Vic

The 350$ price range will get you a WHOLE lotta options when it comes to fly rods. Many of them great rods also. You can get a near top of the line St. Croix Legend Ultra fly rod for about that range. It used to be top of the line until the legend elite came out. It also has a great warranty. In the sage line you can go for the sage flight which is one up from the launch series. Temple fork outfiters makes a Axiom series that is nice at just under 300. You can even go to a G-loomis. Once you pass the 350$ mark for a flyrod, you get a lot more options than you would at 250$ because you just passed "value rod" territory and a little under "elite rods" territory. As far as line goes, Rio Grand is a great line (70$) Cortland 444 or 555 (50-70$) Scientific angler mastery series (60-70$) Scientific angers SharkSkin (100$ LOUD line but one of the best casters) Now line is expensive and you can use 30$ line, but after a lot of casting you can really tell the difference in the way it tosses lures. I also think that a better casting line will help beginers learn better. I dont think you will run into many fly fishermen that would disagree about quality line. Some though may argue that quality ends at about the 50$ mark but to each their own. And like you said, the reel you can always upgrade later because it will not help you learn to cast better. But Rod and Line have a lot of impact on casting and learning. One thing also, if you can change the name of your thread to "Where to start for Flyfishing?" you will probably get more repsonses and opinions. I almost didnt open this thread but was glad I did since I love talking Fly Fishing. Vic