the guy just listed it was 10ft and talking to him he said he got the 12 version so i am assuming thats the frontier but i would definitely confirm before buying. i just didn't know for a bigger guy that will mainly be on lakes if the 10ft is the way to go or to try and find the frontier 12 somewhere. not that i am going to be in the center of the lakes or anything but just heard a lot of reviews where they refer to the frontier 10 as a river and pond kayak