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  1. Aside from Ott Defoe, my team is bombing.
  2. Texas rigged (weighted and unweighted) senko and a wacky rigged senko, garrunteed to catch bass. The Ned rig's a good choice as well.
  3. Yes, I use that rig and it works well. Except I ditch the 3/4 ounce sinker and downsize the hook to a 1/0 gamakatsu finesse wide gap. I hook it that way when most people would reach for a weedless wacky hook, but I never cared for the weedless hooks.
  4. Here's my picks. Bucket A, Ott Defoe (I was so close to picking Aaron martens, but all of the rain changed my mind) Bucket B, Kevin Vandam. Bucket c, David Mullins. Bucket D, David walker. Bucket E, Jacob Wheeler.
  5. It is definitely an improvement over the regular mushroom jig mold. I use the #2 and #4 lil' nasty hooks and the 5313 owner hooks, and they fit in the mold fine to.
  6. Lew's LFS roughly 6.4:1 ratio bait casting reel (can be easily found for $75-$80) paired with a 7' medium heavy fast action St. Croix mojo bass casting rod (usually runs about $120-$130).
  7. I received the Midwest finesse jig mold for Christmas, and have been able to try the jig heads from the mold several times this year, so I came here to post a review. The biggest thing I noticed when I poured the first jig head, is that the head is much flatter than the regular mushroom jig mold. This works out perfectly, it is the exact same diameter as half of a zinkerz, which gives it a slower fall and makes it easier to skip. The wire keeper works nicely to, the biggest thing is that it actually lasts and does not fall out or break off the way the zman shroomz's keeper always does. It takes a little pushing to get the keeper to bite into the elaz-tech, but once its in the zinkerz doesn't fall off or slide down. I was disappointed that it did not have a 1/32 ounce cavity and it wastes several of the cavity's on useless heavy weights, but it does have the 3/32 ounce cavity in addition to the 1/16 ounce which is nice. If you don't want to make the investment to purchase this mold (buying a Ned rig head mold payed for itself for me in the first five months, so its saved me a ton of money plus its nice to be able to use whatever hook you want) Seibert is selling a jig called the "Morel" that is poured from the same mold on a premium owner hook for less than the shroomz's. I use lil' nasty's for the most part, but if I have to have the best (tournaments) I use owners.
  8. Wow, that thing looks like it's been threw the hell of a pikes toothy mouth more than once.. BTW, I love it when a bait gets beat up like that. Each scratch and scrape on the bait has a story to tell.
  9. Why would I only have ten lures? That wouldn't be any fun.
  10. My plans to start making a paper map were once again foiled by the weather today. I tried to start making one, but snow/rain doesn't mix well with paper. Found a good school in 17 feet of water off of a point, hugging bottom around a large brush pile. Only managed three bass on vertically jigged blade baits, but I didn't expect much with the plummeting barometer from the cold front last night. Snow came down hard for a while, couldn't see the shoreline from where I was fishing for a good part of the two hour trip. I always like to try to get out a couple times a year during a good snow storm, even though the fishing usually isn't any good, just cause its cool to look around and see nothing but snow.
  11. Thanks, and no the Ned rig would not work very well with that much weeds. It's better suited for areas with little weeds and brush, and is by no means a catch-all. Just another tool.
  12. Never ask a question in the winter and expect serious answers...
  13. Thanks, and I completely agree that what the majority of anglers are trying to do with the rig (upside it, make it weedless, make it heavy enough to feel) reduces the effectiveness of this simple rig. And its not even a Ned rig anymore at that point, its a shaky head with a different name. It seems like a lot of people think the Ned rig is just a shaky head/jig worm, or they turn it into one.
  14. How many times should you try that pond? Enough times to figure it out.
  15. Anyone try Turtle creek power plant lake recently? I've heard the bass fishing has declined significantly, but at least the bass should be more active there.
  16. Try Booyah's baby boo jig, its a solid choice for when they want a down sized jig. Pair it with either a Yum crawbug, small rage craw, or zooms super chunk junior.
  17. I have yet to try live targets swim baits, but from what I've heard, getting one for almost free is not a good deal.
  18. A Ned rig wil get you bites when all else fails. Might not be big, or even always a bass, but it will almost always catch something.
  19. Yes, I forgot to mention the hotory behind Midwest finesse fishing. Chuck woods really did start it all, with using small crappie marabou jigs and what not to catch as many bass as possible. He was the inspiration for the "Ned rig", but many have forgotten about him, often including me. Ned kahde learned frm him and expanded on what Chuck learned. Chuck started off simply trying to catch as many bass as possible (I believe partially for food, but also for enjoyment) for as little money as possible cause he didn't have much of it. Check out the articles labeled " Midwest finesse " on infishermen if you guys want more information on the history of Midwest finesse. And if you don't mind Brian, i'll edit that quote into the original post. Thanks for mentioning that.
  20. All of this rain they've been getting has got have muddied up the water, and I wish I knew how much. I'm still going back and forth between a couple anglers in A, ones a clear water stick and the other prefers stained water.
  21. @Yeajray231, I don't know where he lives, so for all I know he does live in Florida. When I say "finesse" the bluegill into the cover, I mean move it in such a way so that it looks natural leaving the bluegill to swim into the cover, bit you still usually have to guide it into the cover. If you're fishing in open water that is not necessary. A weedless hook helps to avoid snagging into wood, bit the one can still get wrapped around things. And while northern strain bass are more aggressive, they still do get choosy at times. But they are less choosy when it comes to live bait, a live 3-5 inch bluegill hooked threw the nostrils with a kahle or circle style hook is my fallback for fishing in clear water when I know the bass are there.
  22. The creation of the Ned rig resource thread has greatly reduced the number of questions regarding the ned rig, but there is still a fair amount of questions about it and there is a whole lot of misconceptions about the Ned rig. So I decided to put all of that info all on one page to make it easier to access. This is not a thread about all of the variants that get away from what the Ned rig really is, this is Ned rigging according to Ned kahde himself, the man credited with first using small soft plastics on a light mushroom jig. @Team9nine or @Bluebasser86, feel free to correct me or add to this. You both know more about it than I do. The first thing I'm going to cover is the name "Ned rig". It was not originally called the Ned rig, nor did Ned kahde want it to be named after him, it was named that by the masses when the popularity of the Ned rig exploded. I and many other people continue to refer to it as the Ned rig, because there really isn't any other name for it. But It is not simply a zman TRD or half of a zinkerz on a mushroom head, there are many different baits that can be fished effectively on the Ned rig. Any soft plastic under four inches long is a possible canadate for use, but zman's plastics are prefered because of they're durability and pliability. A durable bait is important for the Ned rig, as it is common place to catch upwards of fifty bass in a single four hour outing (Ned's goal is to catch 101 bass in a four hour fishing trip), which could be very expensive using standard soft plastics, and one of the important aspects to Midwest finesse fishermen (a group of people that are devoted to catching as many bass as possible, often utilizing the Ned rig) is frugality. In the original post I forgot to mention a little about the history of Midwest finesse fishing, and Brian reminded me of it. The late Chuck Woods started Midwest finesse fishing which inspired the "Ned rig", but before that Midwest finesse anglers used many other lures to allure countless scores of bass. Chuck used Beatle spins, marabou jigs with and without a fiber weed guard, eels, small 2.5 inch tubes, and many other small baits. If it was not for chuck woods the Ned rig would likely have never been created. Even today Midwest finesse fishermen do not exclusively use small plastics on mushroom jigs, they continue to use many other small baits also. Here's a quote from Ned Kahde (curousy of team9nine) "I began by telling the world about how Chuck Woods of Kansas city, who was as poor as the proverbial church mouse, taught us how to catch scores and scores of black bass on spinning rods with beetles, jig worms, jigs, and eels. Now, Chuck's genius has been forgotten, even by me at times.". Here's a link to an article detailing how it all started A short history of Midwest finesse fishing. Many new comers are using the trd, but that is not the way it always was. Half of a zinkerz (or strike king zero, they are the same bait made by zman but marketed by strike king) is in my opinion a better option than the much newer TRD, once the salt has been soaked or stretched out of the zinkerz it is far softer than the TRD and has a better action in the water. Half of a green pumpkin zinkerz on a 1/16 ounce mushroom Jighead is the bread and butter bait, and is the most versatile. Other popular options that can at times be effective include but are not limited to, the hula stickz, the TRD tubez, the finesse shadz, zooms finesse worm which is sometimes cut down or left at full length, the finesse wormz, the batwingz, and the leachz. Popular colors include green pumpkin and green pumpkin sparkle, junebug, coppertruse, pb and j, and pearl. I keep it simple and use the green pumpkin color on cloudy days, green pumpkin sparkle on sunny days, and coppertruse when the water is abnormally muddy, and occasionally pb and j for something different. Ned swaps junebug out for coppertruse for muddy water conditions. Next up is the jig head to witch the small soft plastic is affixed to. There are currently only two commercially made jig heads that fit the requirements (seibert pours one called the morel, but I have yet to use that model), the zman shroomz and gopher tackle mushroom jig. Ned kahde prefers the gopher heads, because they are more affordable, and unlike the shroomzs they carry 1/32 and 3/32 ounce heads in addition to 1/16, they come with better hooks, and you can choose the style and size of hook that you want. Zman only carries 1/16 ounce and some much heavier heads, and you should never have to use anything weighing more than 3/32 ounce. Many people are trying to use heavy heads and big hooks, but this takes away the effectiveness of the Ned rig. Ned uses 1/16 ounce heads with a #4 hook 85% of the time, 1/32 ounce head with a #4 or #6 hook 10% of the time, and the 3/32 head with a #4 or #2 hook the other 5% of the time. Elaztech is so elastic that a regular bait collar will not hold the bait in place (the shroomz has a wire keeper that does work for a little while but it always breaks off eventually) so a drop of super glue is used to secure the bait in place. If rigged with an appropriate size jig head under 3/32 ounce with a hook no larger than a #2 or #1, and used properly the Ned rig is surprisingly snagless, the light weight floats on and over snags and the small hook does not tend to hook into snags. Now onto the line. Ned prefers brightly colored fluorescent braided line to aid in visually detecting strikes. He uses braided line from 6 pound test up to 10 pound test, usually with a fluorocarbon or monofilament leader of 8 pound test tied onto it. The lite braid increases casting distance and makes it easier to watch the line, and the eight pound test leader increases abrasion resistance around the line cutting zebra mussels common in Kansas, plus the small amount of stretch afforded allows the angler to utilize the bow and arrow technique to free a snagged lure. The rod and reel selection has been way over complicated by many, but Ned has been using the same simple tackle for years. Contrary to popular belief a sensitive rod is not needed for the Ned rig. If retrieved correctly the line should not be tight and bites are detected by line movement or straightening. Ned uses several old 6' Synergy rods that he purchased for a whopping $15, and cheap spinning reels with the bail arms cut off are mounted on them. He prefers reels with a large diameter spool to increase casting distance. 6' rods offer better control of the bait, but longer rods up to 7' offer increased casting distance, so picking a rod anywhere in that range will suffice. Generally speaking casts shorter than 50' are more effective, because they make it possible to have increased control over the presentation. Basically, any rod between 6' and 7' medium lite or medium powered, with a fast action will work for the Ned rig. And any spinning reel will work, but reels with larger spool diameters are preferred for longer casts. Sensitive rods and high quality reels are not necessary for the Ned rig. Now I am going to talk about the retrieves or presentations that are most effective. This is probably the most key and most misunderstood part of Ned rigging, the "no feel retrieve" is vital to presenting it properly. You should not feel the lure directly, throughout the retrieve you should not be able to actually feel the lure at all. There are technically six different official retrieves, but I am going to only cover three of them. The first is called the "swim glide and shake retrieve" and is the most versatile retrieve of all. I use this retrieve roughly 95% of the time. Start off by casting the bait out, and as soon as it hits the water start shaking the rod tip lightly all the way down to the bottom. Once it hits the bottom, continue shaking the rod tip with the rod at 10:00 position and slowly turn the reel handle a few times, the number of times and the speed should be experimented. The bait should be gliding above the bottoms bit within six inches or a foot of the bottom, and remember to avoid feeling the bait or having a tight line. After turning the reel handle a few times, stop shaking the rod tip and stop reeling, and allow the bait to glide back to the bottom on a tight line to establish bottom contact. This is the only time you should have the line tight or be able to feel the bait. Repeat until back at the boat. The next retrieve is called the "drag and deadstick retrieve". This is usually used in place of the swim glide and shake in very cold water for inactive fish. Cast the bait out, and allow it to sink to the bottom while watching the line. Once it hits the bottom, let it sit for a few seconds before slowly dragging it across the bottom with the rod for anywhere between six inches and a couple feet. Vary the length and speed of the drag. After dragging it, deadstick it for several seconds while watching the line (always watch the line during all of the retrieves, this is how you will detect most of the bites). Vary the length of the pause. Repeat until it reaches the boat. The last retrieve I'm going to talk about is called "strolling". It is basically drifting or moving slowly across a shallow flat with lines dragging behind the boat. Very handy technique to have when you're a co-angler and your boater is paralleling a bank with a crnkabit or something. Just cast the bait out behind the boat, pull off some more line, and let it drag across the bottom. Another bonus besides catching a ton of fish is getting to watch how frustrated the boater becomes when he's outfished by the co-angler that just front ended and gave zero places to cast to. The Ned rig is designed to be fished in shallow water no deeper than 8-12 feet, and is best in slightly stained to murky water. It is not made to be fished in heavy cover, but is surprisingly snagless when fished correctly. It is best when used on nothing looking shorelines that have little brush or weeds, areas that many other anglers will pass up. The Ned rig also skips well underneath docks, which can be a good option on sunny summer days. The hookset on the Ned rig takes a little getting used to, regular hooksets with the tiny Ned hooks don't work very well. Instead simply reeling quickly while raising the rod up higher will penetrate the thin hooks into a basses jaw easily. It is more of a reel set than anything. Many people say that the Ned rig only catches small fish. I disagree with that statement, I say that it catches bass of all sizes! It catches more small fish than big fish simply because there are more small fish than big fish, but it will catch big fish if younput it in front of them. The Ned rig caught my pb last year of 8.2 pounds, and Ned kahde caught an unofficial state record smallmouth on it a few year back. Tell them that they can't eat the Ned rig because it's to small. And not only does it catch bass, it catches all kind of other fish to. I've caught 14.5 inch crappie, 15 pound channel catfish, ten inch bluegill, 18 inch white bass, 17 inch bullhead, eleven inch green sunfish, 9 inch pumpkin seed, a 38 pound common carp, and several other species of fish all on the Ned rig. I hope I remembered to cover everything, if I realize that I forgot something I'll edit it in. As I mentioned earlier, I created this thread to make it easier to find all of the information to start out with the ned rig all on one page, and to clear up the abundant misconceptions. Brian and Clayton, feel free to correct me or add to this. This thread is not a copy and paste from one of Ned's articles, but everything in this thread was spoken by him in one form or another at some point. This is the basics of the ned rig, according to Ned Kahde.
  23. Megabass vision 110 or the lucky craft pointers, depending on whether the bass want it bumping bottom or not, or sometimes the fish simply prefer the action of the pointers.
  24. I believe that you think you are seeing bass, and depending on if you live way down south or not, it is possible. But from your description it sounds more like carp to me. Try a weedless hook, the guys down in Florida use giant golden shiners to get way back underneath thick weeds all the time. There is a little more to it than simply chucking a nose hooked bluegill into the water and waiting for a bite, you have to kind of finesse it into the cover.
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