So I tried the 8lb version tonight. It was some what better but not much. Still broke at the knot, but Im not giving up yet on this line. Cause theres alot of good to this line. It catches fish, its virtually invisible in the water and it cast a mile. So here is what im gonna try, so we all know how we join braid and floro together. Im wondering if I can add some red label seagar to it. Cause Ive never had a knot problem with it.