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Master Bait'r

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  1. Oh man, this is right up his alley!
  2. The biggest piece to the puzzle is probably the hooks though to be honest. I feel like they build those frogs to have a hookset by a big rod, and I just wasn't getting the purchase with the lighter setup. Little frogs brought the hits but the hooks put them in the boat. HUGE difference once those hooks got swapped out. Everything just clicked!
  3. I'm not positive, but there doesn't seem to be a big jump in weight. Also it seems the lighter weight frogs tend to take on less water fwiw.
  4. I've been working on a theory lately. It's the same school of thought that makes baits like the Ned Rig and Trick Darters extremely fun and productive baits- downsizing. Now this makes perfect sense in most approaches, but frogging? Can it be?? YES!! I've been obsessively testing and experimenting and I'm happy to say I have definitely got some encouraging news to report. I figured that all things constant, a smaller hollow bodied bait *should* draw more strikes as well as allow more of the bait to be taken into the fish's mouth, which is where a lot of the problems from missed strikes come from on frogs in the first place. This seems like a given but it raises a few issues. Namely, how are you going to cast it on your frog setup? Most people have Heavy rods and 50#ish braid and a 1/4oz frog is going nowhere. Believe me, I tried. Not worth anyone's time. Wanting the same exact effect but smaller, I looked to my Jig & Worm setup. A stout MXF rod, 20# braid and a light baits reel with a decent drag. Bingo- it would BOMB the 1/4 oz frog and I could put it on a specific lilly pad with almost no noise even on the longest casts. Casting issues solved and walking abilities retained, I went to work again to see how it changed the bite. Let me tell you... I've tested this multiple times now because I didn't want to report a fluke- I'll work an area of a couple hundred feet of weed line with my favorite heavy frog gear, then do it again with the finesse setup. A few times I even reversed it and went finesse first. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The number of hits was WAY up on the finesse side. It wasn't even close. Every fish in the pond hit those little hollow bodies- but it was lacking in terms of hookset percentages. The fish would inhale it, and from there it was a crap shoot as to whether or not the hooks made it into something or if they were just holding it in their mouth... Likely a combination of less backbone in the rod and smaller bodies sometimes having tough compressions along with a less than stellar drag on my reel when I started this endeavor. So I went to work again to figure out how to make it jive and capitalize on the windfall of strikes. Having a whole stash of tiny frog and hollow bodied creatures at this point, I basically took them all apart and put them back together with bigger salvaged hooks into my favorites. Pics below to show my top 3 producers and illustrate the hook upsizing I'm referring to. Thats a snag proof leech with about half the weight snipped out and glued into the tail, a Live target 45 (iirc) and a LH 1/4oz Lunker frog with skirt legs. All have hooks that *look* too big and cumbersome to be effective, but the light weight of the baits helps them not get hung up to a surprising degree. As for hooksets, just wow. I've been testing this out for a while with outstanding results but today was the day the jury delivered a final verdict- I can't hold this in anymore. This morning I went from a really tough bite to an absolute nonstop hootin and hollerin slamfest. I probably boated 25 fish in the final 2 hours with several hat trick back-to-backers once I switched to the finesse frogs. Just plucking them off the edges of the pads one after another... I'd say I couldn't believe it but it's been happening every time I use them! So. Now you know pretty much what I know. The quiet, tiny approach flat out boats fish when all factors are properly addressed. Even when the bass are seemingly tight lipped and it's "too hot"... Try the little guys and use light pops in the tiny spaces around the edges of the pads to tease them out. A couple little splashy twitches and a long stall seems to be the dinner bell combination for whatever reason, but results have varied day to day and space to space. If you use it, please report your findings! I want to compile as much input as possible, but in my studies the results seem undeniable. I just switched reels to a Pixy R and it made a big difference too, so the same concerns are valid as big frogs, but add lightweight finesse casting in there now. Big drag, light baits and fast ratio with an extra fast rod, appropriately sized braid with *OVERSIZED FROG HOOKS IN YOUR FROGS* and you're good to go. Now go forth and pillage! Be sure to report your findings!! Cheers and I hope it works out for you as well as it has for me!
  5. I think the bigger TRD setup will be really nice to have. Right between the NED and a shaky head sort of deal. Also the pattern separation let's you know when to turn the hook up, which can be tough with Elaztech. I would fish the heck out of that! Give it time, it's a lucrative bait market so I'm sure they will be making ALL KINDS of Ned variations in the coming years. I would love a 5" fat TRD and accompanying heads though!
  6. Well it sounds like there will be a story to tell afterwards no matter what
  7. Rods and reels are subjective. One thing I really want to tell people about is Smackdown braid. Switching to Smackdown from virtually any other braid will increase your casting distance by about 20% conservatively. Not kidding here. Vastly thinner and smoother than the majority of competitors (20# Smack is thinner and smoother than 10# PP), it makes a far bigger difference than I ever imagined it would, especially coming from a thick, rough 55# braid like FX2 to 40# Smack. I couldn't believe the difference in casting distance. It blew my mind! Just wanted to put that out there. Sometimes those few extra yards in a cast make all the difference and Smackdown has come down in price quite a bit lately too.
  8. I stopped reading after $300 Calais. If you don't take that deal, you're going to be ticked at yourself FOREVER. DO IT AND DO IT NOW. You can buy a Met DC every day for $350. You don't see Calais for $300 ever. Don't let that ship sail to someone else's harbor, dude!! Even if it doesn't end up on your NRX that is a reel worth having IMO.
  9. Yeah I am in love. It really launches light baits in a way that doesn't even seem possible. I can't even imagine how well it does with a honeycomb spool! I really think I probably got the best deal of all time on my Pixy R. @desmobob would you believe I got it for well under $200 after the seller swapped the handle and knobs out for a Tatula's? If anyone is looking, be patient. If the deal you want isn't there, give it time or put out the feelers. You never know who will see it and what deals they may be willing to make!
  10. I can feel the bait monkey's grip on me now! Aaaaaaargh!!! Someone help!!!
  11. By the way... For future reference, the answer to the original question is YES. A RESOUNDING, OVERWHELMING YES. Seriously, it's not even close. The Pixy slaughters the 103 when it comes to really light baits in case someone is ever wondering.
  12. Just going to put this right here in celebration of the new Pixie R... My 4 horsemen, right to left as listed: 7'2" HXF 13NVBlack, w/ Lew's BB1 Pro and 40# Smackdown. Tied on is a Slither K. 6'10" MHF Megabass Destroyer Phase 3 Elseil w/ Shimano Exsence DC and 8# CXX. Tied on is a 5" Mag Draft. 7'1" MXF G. Loomis 852c w/ Daiwa PXL Type R and 20# Smackdown. Tied on is a t-rigged Huddle Bug. 7'1" MLXF 13NVBlack w/ Shimano Stella 2500S and 8# Gliss. Tied on is a Keitech Mono Spin Jig with a TRD trailer aka TungsteNed. And the "kids' rods", which I "sometimes use too" lol (Right to left) 6'6" MHF Ugly Stick Elite w/ an Abu Cardinal STX30 reel and 30# Suffix 832. Tied on is a 1/2 oz Mendota rigged savage 3D craw. 6'3" MF 13OmnBlack w/ a Skeet Reese Pro Carbon 2500 reel and 6# CXX. Tied on is an OSP Bent Minnow. 6' MF Berkley Amp w/ a Shimano Sienna 2500FD and 10# PP. Usually a t-rig or Ned rod. Probably going to just sell that middle kid combo for a rod to put my old Ito reel on for cranks, spinnerbaits and jerks. It seems I just like casting rigs better for that kind of thing. Feeling pretty good about what I'm running now though, so just adding and dialing as I have time and expendable income.
  13. If what you're doin works, why change?
  14. Well I WAS all ready for a normal day of flood welding down in the forge with my lavaproof suit on in 90+ heat... But the torch melted and they didn't have replacement parts. Looks like I'm getting paid to go float around and drink beer! Man I love minimum billing!
  15. Just don't use JJ's! You'll come back to a soupy science experiment looking scenario lol
  16. Ive never done any of that fwiw and they work fine for me. Nothing is more durable this side of shoe leather though!!
  17. Must need more fiber!
  18. Mendota tubes X2. Gotta keep that finesse punching train rolling!
  19. I remember reading a thread a while back on TT about taking off the line guide on a PX type R and having it almost double the casting distance... While I don't think TWS will quite duplicate that, I do think it's a good middle ground between a regular style line guide and nothing at all. The beneficial physics make sense in theory, but of course people will ALWAYS react negatively to something new and unproven when the old way works so well.
  20. All I really need is CXX and Smackdown but if I did use a flouro again it would definitely be Tatsu.
  21. Depending on the locale, we could probably buy a private lake lol
  22. They aren't exactly playing cards and talking about the good ol days lol. Coexisting because fighting is too dangerous may be more like it. Both are formidable predators that populate the same area, but I do find pickerel to be far less discerning. I treat them like freshwater barracudas- They fear nothing and hit anything. Bass tend to be more finicky.
  23. That's awesome, it definitely looked it on paper.
  24. I wonder how much money in total has been spent in this thread's disclosures alone.
  25. Hoping you're going to do a write-up on that Curado once you've got it dialed. Not much info on those and they seem to be a really versatile reel with a lot of potential.
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