Thanks small jaw. I opted for $20/1000 570 bronze becuase of the price. The Smalley lake I fish it is not uncommon to loose 25 a day. Chances are good that you will loose them before they dull. I tried some gammy 604 last year and really wasn't that impressed for this application. The point seems to be different and needs a snap set over just reeling into them like I normally do with lighter hooks