We were on VanSciver on Sunday and the green huge on the lake is the lake turnover it happens in all lakes but is very noticeable in Van Sciver. We did not get any until after 5:00 pm. I was throwing everything I had with no takers. My son was in the back of the boat throwing 5 inch wacky rigged senko and landed 5 large mouth with one going over 5 lbs. I finally gave in a threw the senko and ended with 3. The big bags that were coming from the BCBA Tuesday night Tournements we're caught on off shore humps. With the cooler water they should be spreading out again. We were on Manor on Saturday and got the skunk. Way too may shad around. That sould be changing also. My best fall baits there are jigs, t-rigged creature baits, lipless and My favorite LC Pointer 78. Have fun!