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Optima_Jim

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  1. Jesse, if an online retail offers you the opportunity to review feedback before making a purchase, I would strongly encourage you to do that. Not everyone who sells our batteries online is authorized to do so, including some very big names. Unauthorized retailers have been known to ship our products in unapproved packaging and not offer warranty service. Online retailers may also require you to ship batteries back to them to get warranty service. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  2. There's been a lot of great advice already offered up in this thread, so I only want to provide some clarity and simplicity to what has already been posted. Our three BlueTop battery sizes are 34, 27 & 31 (smallest to largest). As Short Fish indicated, the "D" stands for deep-cycle and would be the only ones I would recommend for trolling motors or other accessory use. The shallower the discharge cycle on a battery, the longer the lifespan. That means in a given application, a pair of Group 27 trolling batteries may only be discharged 15% during a day on the water, while a smaller pair of Group 34 batteries may be discharged 20-25%. The larger batteries will likely last longer in this scenario, as they aren't being worked as hard as the smaller batteries. It makes a lot of sense to sort our your electrical issues with your current batteries, before adding new batteries to the mix. Fully-charged, our BlueTops will measure about 13.0-13.2 volts. If you can't get them load-tested (make sure they are fully-charged if you do), you can simply fully-charge and disconnect them from your boat for 12-24 hours. If they hold close to their maximum voltage when disconnected, but lose voltage when connected, you have a parasitic (ghost) draw that is slowly discharging your batteries. If they drop significant voltage even when they are disconnected, they need to be replaced. While a correctly-installed cutoff switch can handle a parasitic draw issue in storage, if wiring isn't someone's strong suit, I would suggest something like battery knobs that allow someone to easily and obviously disconnect their batteries when not in use. It is a good idea to always make sure your batteries are fully-charged when they do go into storage and again, when they come out. We are owned by Johnson Controls and have access to a lot of different testing data on many different batteries. While cold cranking amps & reserve capacity ratings on labels are a good apples to apples comparison, they are just a starting point. AGM batteries and those specifically built with pure lead will perform better and last longer than those that use recycled lead, which is found in the vast majority of batteries on the market. AGM batteries can also operate well beyond their specified ratings. The high internal resistance of flooded batteries may prevent them from delivering power to trolling motors, once they are discharged down to about 10.5 volts, while our batteries can continue delivering current well beyond that point. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  3. james 14, please send me a PM with your contact information and the serial number located on the white 1”x3” “Non-Spillable” label on the side of your batteries. Way2slow, not a problem. Don't feel compelled to speak more positively about our products for our sake (unless you really feel that way). We prefer honest feedback Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  4. Way2slow, even though you were asked by a moderator not to say anything about our products, I want you (and the moderator) to know that we have no problems with members posting any of their personal experiences with our products or their experiences with other brands. We don't advertise on forums to silence critics, we do it to be an active and engaged member of communities that use our products. When folks have issues with our products, we want to know about them and do what we can to address them. There are certainly less expensive OE battery options for manufacturers to choose when outfitting vehicles and equipment. Our batteries end up in many of these applications, because they pass rigorous tests that other brands do not. Some of these are related specifically to vibration in an application, cycle life or performance under extreme temperatures. While that often works in theory, the reality is that once our batteries and the equipment they are installed in goes to customers, they are not always used or maintained in the manner designed or intended by the manufacturer. Batteries are often left in deeply-discharged states for extended periods of time and/or overcharged with unregulated chargers or maintained with units that were not designed to recover deeply-discharged batteries. As an example, we were getting numerous complaints from one customer that our batteries were showing up and failing load tests before they were even installed in equipment. As it turned out, the customer was attempting to load-test batteries equipped with threaded terminals, without using proper terminal adaptors. Threaded posts on batteries (including marine batteries) were never designed or intended to be the point of contact, through which power is transferred. They are only the means by which users can secure their connections through wingnuts or other fasteners to the terminal base, where the real connection to the battery should be made. That simple explanation corrected what was perceived to be a major issue. As for bulging cases, I wanted to make sure I gave a comprehensive response, so I did contact one of our engineers and asked him what would cause a flat plate battery to bulge in an industrial application (powered pallet jacks). Immediately, he indicated that flat plate batteries will bulge when they are overcharged. When too much current is pumped into a battery and it has nowhere to go, batteries are designed to vent this excess pressure. When the pressure still exceeds the vent port's ability to disperse it, the heat generated by excessive charge rates will cause the batteries themselves to bulge and expand. This is not a good thing, in fact it is quite the opposite. As he continued to ask about this application and I shared the information you posted, he indicated the Optima batteries were likely deeply-discharged and recharged with a battery charger that was not properly-regulated or designed to charge these batteries. The same charging issue that may have caused the Optimas to fail may also be causing the flat-plate replacements to bulge. He indicated the replacement batteries are physically heavier and as a result are likely to have more reserve capacity, which could result in those batteries not being discharged so deeply. Batteries are consumable items, so each cycle of use moves the battery closer to the end of it's life cycle. Shallower discharge cycles will lead to longer lifespans, so batteries that have more reserve capacity in a deep-discharge application may see longer lifespans. However, the fact that these flat-plate batteries are bulging indicates their useful lifespan is also likely being diminished significantly due to overcharging. Do you recall what types of chargers you were using in this application and what the settings were? Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  5. soopd, unless you plan on using these batteries to start an engine in freezing temperatures, you don't really need to concern yourself too much with cold cranking amps. For trolling motor applications, the numbers that matter most are related to reserve capacity & amp hours, keeping in mind you should only be considering batteries designed for deep-cycle use. Our batteries are up to 15 times more resistant to vibration than flooded batteries, they do have a much lower self-discharge rate than flooded products and are designed to last up to twice as long as flooded products. While some AGM manufacturers may have specific lists of chargers that must be used with their products, we do not- treat it and charge it just as you should any other lead-acid battery. Way2slow, I'm interested in hearing more about why you believe it is a good thing for batteries to swell as they age and why the inability for cells to expand leads to premature shorting. What do you believe causes batteries to swell as they age? How do you define a “good, similar size flooded cell” by which you make your comparisons and how do you feel a flooded battery's rated specifications hold up over the life of a battery, versus an AGM product? Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  6. As I re-read this thread, I think the correct answer is closer to what you had posted earlier. When I shared the diagram jFlips706 posted, it gave the appearance of a single bank charger. While connecting the batteries individually to different banks in a multibank charger will provide a faster charge, it will not be twice as fast, due to the different charge rates during different charging cycles. Our engineer did estimate it could be up to 50% faster than charging both batteries from a single bank at the same rate, depending on a variety of factors. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  7. Kayak Fisherman, I'm sorry to hear the previous owner left issues for you to contend with. While others regularly use our starting batteries in deep-cycle applications, we obviously cannot recommend using a battery in an application for which it was not designed. If you are looking at re-configuring the batteries in your boat, it would definitely be worthwhile to have your existing batteries load-tested, to determine if they need to be replaced. Since you already know the previous owner was using a starting battery in a deep-cycle application, a load-test would really help identify the current state of that battery. If both of your batteries still test fine, your BlueTop could then be put into storage in a fully-charged state, until it comes time to replace your current starting battery. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  8. slonezp, while it is true that connecting two batteries together in parallel will essentially create one larger battery that will take longer to charge, if you are suggesting that by individually connecting two batteries already wired together in a parallel bank to a charger, that they will somehow charge twice as fast, our engineers would be very interested in your reasoning behind that. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  9. Jflips706, I checked with one of our engineers on this, because I wanted to be sure. If you are running a bank of two parallel batteries to power a 12-volt trolling motor, you only need one connection from that bank back to your charger (positive from one battery, negative from the other). Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  10. If the cheapest battery is what you want, you can always call your local junkyard and see what they have in stock. However, those batteries may or may not come with any warranty coverage and they may or may not work when you need them. How much is getting water out of your boat or not having someone run into you at night worth to you? Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  11. That is the concern we generally express. I's not often I come across someone who just started using mis-matched batteries in a parallel or series application, so I'd be interested in knowing how long they last for you. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  12. I'd be interested in hearing how that works out for you. If you can remember, please update this post when you replace one or both of those batteries. Thanks! Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  13. Whenever two or more batteries are wired in series or parallel, they should always be identical not only in size, but age and type. The charging characteristics of dissimilar batteries can shorten the lifespan of both batteries, even if the only difference is age. Internal resistance can build in batteries as they age, so it may take more time to fully-recharge the older battery than the newer battery. AGM batteries have far lower internal resistance than flooded batteries. Either scenario could leave one battery chronically undercharged, while the other is always being overcharged. Do people wire dissimilar batteries together? All the time and they can get away with doing it in some instances. However, in a trolling motor application, you will be deeply-discharging and cycling these batteries far more than someone who is using two dissimilar batteries to start their diesel truck. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  14. This is absolulely correct! All lead-acid batteries can vent gas that is both flammable and toxic in extreme situations, even "sealed" batteries. Unless someone is using Lithium batteries, everyone here is probably using some form of lead-acid battery, so play it safe and keep them properly-ventilated to the atmosphere. Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
  15. Thanks for the welcome! Jim McIlvaine eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc. www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries (longtime lurker)
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