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I never said there was a cure, human viruses have/use vaccines, those aren't cures either, as in they don't kill the virus. You asked reasons their numbers were down. I gave the various contributing factors for it. The one Ebola antiviral, has been used for awhile in China as well (around Feb 3rd), among others. "US, China and Italy are already using remdesivir on a compassionate basis to treat small numbers of patients with severe Covid-19. The first US patient, a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington, recovered, David Ho, a Columbia University professor and infectious disease specialist, agrees that remdesivir is the most promising candidate." Those antivirals are nuclease inhibitors, that's not exactly just what you call just treating symptoms. In the same way HIV antivirals inhibit replication. You honestly don't think using that powerful antiviral isn't contributing, along with the others? Don't know how you're twisting that as I'm misleading. How about you supplying data to counter it that those measures listed aren't working? Instead of simply stating your opinion and twisting what I've said, to discredit all those contributing factoring having a positive affect on SK's results.

Lessons from Mers Professor Gye Cheol Kwon, the chairman of the Laboratory Medicine Foundation, calls this the Korean "bali bali" gene. Bali means quick in Korean. He says this because the South Koreans managed to design and create a test, set up a network of labs across the country and get it all to work in 17 days. But this has come from bitter experience. "We learned the risk of new infection and its ramifications from the experience of the Middle East Respiratory syndrome (Mers) back in 2015," he told me. Thirty-six people died in South Korea during the Mers outbreak. It forced the country to reassess its approach to infectious diseases. South Korea's Centres for Disease Control even set up a special department to prepare for the worst. In this case, that preparation appears to have paid off. "I think that early patient detection with accurate tests followed by isolation can lower the mortality rate and prevent the virus from spreading," said Prof Kwon. "To learn from the past and prepare systems in advance… that might be the true power to overcome this new kind of disaster." Role model There is no shortage of testing kits in South Korea. Four companies have been given approval to make them. It means the country has the capacity to test 140,000 samples a week. Prof Kwon believes the accuracy of South Korea's Covid-19 test is around 98%. The ability to test so many people has made the country a role model as others look to battle their own coronavirus outbreaks. 'Better to know' The preventative measures being taken in South Korea have so far involved no lockdowns, no ro***s and no restriction on movement. Trace, test and treat is the mantra. So far this country of over 50 million people have been doing their bit to help. Schools remain closed, offices are encouraging people to work from home, large gatherings have stopped. This may be the new normal for South Korea and elsewhere. But health officials are still on edge and warning there is no room for complacency. One large outbreak at a church, office, exercise class or apartment block can change everything. South Korea mobilized fast & efficiently, they mitigated this very effectively on all fronts. I only shortened the quote to reduce the wall is all. That's a solid response, I completely respect that. I am not looking at this as a doom & gloom either. Its easy to get things misconstrued. This is one of those things, that we all need to chip in and do our part, not just for ourselves but for others. This can be an opportunity for great unity.

SEOUL, March 3 (Yonhap) -- Glead Sciences' experimental antiviral drug remdesivir is expected to be used to treat patients infected with the novel coronavirus in South Korea as part of a trial, drug industry sources said Tuesday. Remdesivir, currently under clinical trials in several countries, such as China, the epicenter of the outbreak, the United States and Japan, has not been fully approved by any country. The ministry also allowed a locally-developed antiviral drug called Virus Suppressing Factor (VSF) to treat COVID-19 patients at the request of Seoul National University Hospital. COVID-19 patients will be administered with a therapy called HzVSFv13, an injection-type of VSF developed by mid-sized bio firm ImmuneMed. So far, most COVID-19 patients have been given treatments to relieve their symptoms while severe patients were given a combination of flu medicine and Kaletra, an anti-retroviral medication that was developed by global pharmaceutical firm AbbVie Inc. and is used to treat HIV. The public health agency earlier announced a proposed protocol, which advises doctors to administer Kaletra twice a day to elderly patients and those who show severe symptoms of the coronavirus. I'll add there are a few more drugs to being used but I'm not going to list them.

That's cool, just please remember this important detail, because the asymptomatic attribute of this and/or symptoms. Be mindful of those that may be susceptible.

I want to make it known, the only reason I'm posting is to raise awareness. That means not being selfish & trying to help others be aware. Not to disregard this, do your part for yourself and others welfare. This is where we all have to detach from self. That is my ONLY reason for me taking time to post. Take it as you will, but that is my honest intentions. Not to sit and argue & be petty.

Ohio Dept of Health from today. I'm not saying yay or nay on it, just read. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus Shes not part of the media. She first compiled the data herself well before that paper decided to published it, she did not write it for the paper. It was her own analysis. I'm not going to explain that it is a fact the RO factor with this, left unchecked would be massively different on the HC system, that doesn't take rocket science to figure out. Nor, what China would of looked like it it did nothing. Even if her calculations were way off, the bases is still legit based on known facts. To comparing weather forecasting vs this isn't the best forecasting rational, nor analogy. Quantitative Forecasting would be a better suited for comparison.

Facts are always fear mongering right? She was illustrating the same, why its critical to mitigate it. Imagine what the numbers would be if China didn't mitigate. Any Epidemiologists want to calculate that? Feel free to compile your data mitigate vs non-mitigate and present to Liz ---> https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/with_replies "Liz received her B.S. in Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering at Johns Hopkins University and her Ph.D. from the Division of Biological Sciences at the University of California San Diego. Associate Director of Science and Technology. " There are a lot of factors that play into why SK numbers are low like that. I'm not going to spend the time to dig it all up. But for one, and per my point/illustrations, a HUGE key is how fast and intensely they mobilized to mitigated it. Plus, the drugs they have to treat. Now compare Italy at the moment.

Did you overlook this part in the article Fishing_FF? "Confirmed cases may appear to rise faster (or slower) in the short term as diagnostic capabilities are ramped up (or not), but this is how fast we can expect actual new cases to rise in the absence of substantial mitigation measures." I was making a point why quarantines, social distancing are necessary. What if China didn't mitigate, what would those numbers be if it was left to spread unchecked?

For the sake of argument, lets exclude the CFR rate, part of the quarantines & shutdowns is to reduce spread/case load due to the immense burden on the medical infrastructure this virus has on it. No one can argue about the high % that need ICU care. Look at the current data in Italy, hopefully that isn't mirrored here. The info in the link was from Liz Specht: Assoc. Director of Science & Technology UCSD PhD, JHU ChemBE. https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/10/simple-math-alarming-answers-covid-19/ Simple graph that demonstrates this curve. The other is truth, think of others that may be especially susceptible to having a severe reaction to it.

Reason I said that, because I've seen and heard countless people ridiculing those that have tried to honestly tell others what the truth and nature of this thing is. The more you know your enemy the better you are able to be prepared. I'm man enough to apologize, I shouldn't of made that statement like that. I've made, in good faith attempts to educate people on known facts and be ridiculed for that. I've been intensively educating my family and those close to me on what this truly is. 80% it can be mild, but that 20% is the kicker when it affects 40, 50, 60% of the population. Everyone should really take a moment and digest that. It would be to their best interests, and their families. This virus has also been proven to re-infect and its worse the 2nd time around. It can also cause immunity amnesia, look it up. The Cytokine Storm this virus unleashes is also very deadly & not average at all, main cause of septic shock.

I've been Science based all my entire life, I do an incredible amount of indepth research, always have. I can not tell you, how many published research medical articles on the entire corona family going decades back to the present I've studied. Only data from verified respected scientific sources, published Peer-Reviewed Research. I've very knowledgeable, But, that's irrelevant because I can provide, as I have any Medical & Scientific published data on any aspect of it. That will support any & everything I've said. That Jama Peer-Reviewed publishing, is 100% legit. Take it for what it is, or not. It's everyone's choice.

The only reason our case numbers are low, because the faulty CDC test kits...just wait till they start mass testing, you all are going to have some real rude awakings...there are over 8,000 just in California under self quarantine. Same in many other states. The genome of this virus enures that it can not be contained or stopped. It will affect every town, every city, every community in the USA. I dare anyone to ridicule me on this, to question my knowledge on this...I've been heavily researching this pathogen from the beginning of January, thats only research from verified, reliable, medical and scientific data. I know this contagion and soon you all will as well... If you do ridicule me, I will be back to say, "I told you so"...you're welcome for true heads up based on known verified data...your choice what to do with it... Did you read the Peer-Reviewed data? Who are most susceptible? and the mortality rate for those elderly that are inflicted? I was talking about most, in retirement homes, per what I attached...read the Peer-Reviewed data

CDC has been a failure, they initially refused to test this person and now...124 front liners exposed and sidelined...this will also play out across the country. Those frontliner are going to get it, some are going to die. https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/nations-hospitals-unprepared-covid-19

This will not end well...most of these residents will be infected, and most will likely die...life is going to come fast for those that do not know this virus scientifically, from verified peer reviewed data what it really does if you have a severe reaction...20% do have a severe to critical reaction, anyone can be the 20%...that 20% needs intensive care, meaning o2...5% of that 20% need a mechanical ventilation. Those that are in need of intensive care, its for a month to 6 weeks. This is going to crush our medical infrastructure, mark my words. This isn't my opinion... This situation at the nursing facility below, its going to play out the same across the entire nation. https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-outbreak-kirkland-investigation/285-03e21bc4-9f68-4ad6-bc8c-a337b27de567 I guarantee that joke about this, they wont be in short order...China would not quarantine a whole region, losing billions a day for the seasonal flu. The season flu has generally a .5-1% CFR rate (case fatality rate) COVID-19 2.3% CFR...Seasonal flu WITH vaccines, kills how many with a .5-1% CFR?...This COVID-19 2.3% CFR and no vaccine...scientist predict it will affect 40-60% of the global population, do the math. Peer Reviewed Research study...published on the 24th... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?guestAccessKey=bdcca6fa-a48c-4028-8406-7f3d04a3e932&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420 All of my life, all the people I've known that have had the flu of all ages, never known one that needed mechanical ventilation, it's common with this one.

nope, not at all...i have iced fished growing up here & there from setting pike tip ups to pannie fishin...but just could never get into it, I like my long sticks, visible targets and working baits...midget poles and a ice hole never tripped my trigger...