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You serious? There's a big difference in knowing something and not knowing something.... Read his post again....He knew and saw the mislabeled. If you gonna buy a something and you see it labeled as something else...it's mislabeled....How much more simpler could I put this? You can do either 2 things...walk away knowing you didn't take advantage or buy it knowing you ripped off where ever you brought it from. Whatever kind of person you are. I'm done with this post...it's starting to turn argumentative.

You say debate, I say mis-direction. You seem to want to make this a lesson in retail and marketing. Having never worked in retail I find your explanation fascinating. It is an interesting discussion, but it avoids the real question. Please answer BASSclary's (above) question.

this reminds me of something that happened to me recently at the bank. i went through drive-thru to deposit my pay check and asked for $300 back in cash. later on i realized they gave me $500 back in cash. the teller made a mistake and gave me an extra $200. i dwelled all weekend about whether i should keep the money or return it to the bank, it was too late to return it that friday and i had other things to do saturday than drive an hour back to that bank. started worrying if the teller had taken that out of my account by mistake and such. then i started thinking how she could and probably would lose her job and maybe had kids to take care of and all that, and getting a job isnt all that easy sometimes. well, that monday i ended going by the bank, went inside this time, and told the teller there what had happened, and she sprung up kind of surprised after initially looking disinterested when i started explaining what happened. she told me a teller had came up $200 short on friday and probably wouldve lost her job. she went and got that teller from the drive-thru and told her i was returning the money, she had such a look of relief and joy on her face. they thanked me and said most people wouldve kept it, and also checked my account to make sure it hadnt been affected by it. ultimately she probably still couldve been fired, but even then atleast they couldnt label her a thief on her work history because i was being greedy and dishonest. once the money was returned i felt much better about myself, and a few good things happened to me within the next week or two, including catching my personal best LMB. i do realize this is different than buying a mislabeled item at a huge discount price though.

shakey head jigs and some football and brush jigs... was gonna place an order with tackle wharehouse when i rembered that Mike of Siebert outdoors would have a better product at a cheaper price.....looked on his website and sure enough he was able to fill my order with quality stuff at a great price and it shipped the next day free.....thanx Mike for a great product at a better price with quality service....before you buy try to patronize the sponsers of this great website...it is very important in this tuff economy that we do this.....thanx

I agree with speaking one's mind; however, there is a difference between doing that respectfully and doing it in a condescending, judgmental, or argumentative manner. Over my years on this forum, and well before the +/- button, I have tried to become more respectful while still expressing my own opinion. At times I succeed, and at other times I fail, but it has nothing to do with getting a "smiley" or getting "points in my cool column" as you put it. It is about treating others as I want to be treated. The +/- is very useful for marking fishing posts that I find to be very informative. That is the only time I use it.

I've always liked tech n9ne too. dont care too much for the other guys on his label.

Check out North star jigs or Gmans, both make great quality jigs. I usually stick to the basic role of using football head jigs around rocks, arkie or alien heads around timber, swing jigs to run through weeds, and flipping jigs to punch mats or vegetation. If you don't feel like buying a bunch of different jigs stick with arkie or alien heads, they work fine around rocks and are pretty versatile. I always use a trailer, either ragetail craws/chunks or netbaits baby craw/chunk. That's just me though, any craw type trailer will work.

Just because the door to the newspaper machine is broken (won't lock), doesn't mean the newspaper inside is free. What would you do if your financial institution deposited someone elses 20k IRS check into your account by accident and you withdrew the money just moments later. Should you be made to pay it back? Do you think you might get charged with Grand Theft? Should you be allowed to keep the money and the bank be made to repay the 20k to the rightful owner? What if I sold you a 1k rod and reel combo for 20 bucks that I stole but told you it wasn't hot. Do you think you too would be charged with theft/dealing in stole property? Of course you would/could. Just because something is accidently mismarked or misrepresented, doesnt make it right to accept it. Sometimes it might not be illegal, but it certainly will more than likely be unethical. But hey, perhaps WE ALL would sell our soul if we knew we wouldn't get caught.

If you are just trying to get into jigs just do a little research. Try to find what the popular ones are in your area and the popular colors and stick with those at first. One of the hardest parts of learning a jig is actually fishing it enough to get some confidence in it. As far as the differences you asked about. A swim jig typically will have the line tie towards the very end of the nose of the jig and a keel shaped head because they are cast and reeled past cover, or "swam" back to the boat. The also typically have lighter hooks and thinner weedguards. Flipping jigs have a line tie a little further back to protect the knot when coming through heavy cover. The will tend to be heavier weights, thicker weedguards, and heavier hooks to help them get into cover, get out of cover, and bring big fish with them. Flipping jigs tend to have rattles on them more often than swimming jigs do also. In most cases when companies have a standard and pro model jig you will just have better componets on the pro model, better hooks and eyes are two of the more common changes. Like I said though, keep it simple starting out and get some confidence in jigs in general, then worry about really breaking them down.

I was young once also. Got married in 1969, had a good job, built a house, owned three vehicles, and four boats. Living the good life but it only took about three years for me to realize very little of my paycheck was mine anymore, I was working for everybody else. My wife got a job and we devoted every penny we could toward paying off debt. We drove the same vehicles for seven years and I didn't trade any more boats. It took us five years of doing without and accounting for every dime to get out of dept. That was everything but the house and we put everything into paying it off so two years later, we were 100% dept free. I have been debt free ever since. Then we decided to sell everything we had, quite the Maintenance Superintendent job I had making very good money, but working 90 hours a week and join the Air Force as and A1C for $760 a month. Uncle Sam funished us all epense paid, extended vactions to Italy, Germany, Sicily and got paid to travel all over Europe and the US for 22 years. I say that because we had the money, even on an Airman's pay when I first went in and the part time jobs we had over there, to travel, see and do most anything we wanted, I also made rank very fast too, so that helped. Being debt free is the only way to go. You don't have to worry about savings, that becomes automatic. It also leaves you some free money to invest, and generally make a whole lot more than what a dinky savings account pays today.

SirSnook the car example is interesting. If I order a car, I will very carefully inspect it to make sure it is what I ordered. I would certainly ask about any extras not ordered. If a mistake had been made by the dealer, I would not expect to pay one dime more. I would expect the dealer to provide what was paid for; if the correct car needed to be acquired to save thousands of dollars for the dealer and he provided me proper transportation in the mean time, I would wait for the right vehicle. I have bought several vehicles from my dealer. I consider him an honest, hard working business man, and I would no more take advantage of him than I would you. Gray Wolf, judgment is a completely different issue in my view. I do agree that it is easy to judge without knowing details and circumstances. Self-righteousness is not a very attractive characteristic. It is when ethics become situational that trouble starts. Doing the right thing is always the right thing.

"Ethics" means doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking; or when the (sign, crowd, friend, employee, employer, etc) says it's ok to do it anyway. If YOU feel it's wrong, then only YOU can control YOUR actions and do what YOU feel is right. That, is integrity based on strong ethics.

SirSnook, is your point that since there is no way of confirming here if a person’s professed beliefs and actions regarding ethical behavior are the same, there is no value in the discussion? I think there is. I believe there is an objective standard of right and wrong. I will also confess I do not always meet that standard. Condemning the standard because I fail to meet it is a rationalization I won’t make. I believe knowingly taking advantage of someone else’s mistake for financial gain is wrong. I believe an employee has an ethical obligation to represent his/her employer faithfully. I have not always met this standard, but am committed to doing my very best to do so. Whether anyone agrees with me, or believes me makes little difference. It is the interwebz after all.

I believe it's more erratic.

Water in a lake will always tend to stratify according to it's temperature, warmer water on top, colder water beneath it. That's because warm water is less dense and weighs less than cold water. Sometimes the demarcation between the warmer upper layer and the colder lower layer is very distinct - that defines a thermocline. The significance is this: the warmer water is not mixing with the water beneath the thermocline. If it did, there would of course be no thermocline. The deeper water just sits there and does not get re-oxygenated, so most fish will not be able to live below the thermocline. Fish and other organism in a lake often congregate just above a thermocline. It's the coolest water available that also contains enough oxygen to sustain life. If you have a decent sonar, you can see a thermocline in many lakes in summer. If you can't see the actual line on sonar, you can often see that baitfish are holding at a specific depth line throughout a large part of the lake on a given day - and you can assume the thermocline is just below them. Thermoclines help you locate fish. If it's at 25 ft deep, there's no reason to fish deeper. But you may want to check out the areas where the thermocline hits the 25 ft deep banks of the lake, especially if those areas have cover that can hide hungry bass. As water cools in the fall, the upper water layer will eventually cool to the same temperature as the water below the thermocline, at which point the two layers will mix and the thermocline will disappear. This is called "turnover'. In most lakes, the water will become very cloudy and you will see lots of small debris floating on the surface. That's junk that was sitting on the bottom of the lake. The turnover is not a good time to fish.

My thought exactly. Be sure to ALWAYS wet the knot and cinch it down slowly but tight. As others have said, I have had it on a couple reels for more than a year and one reel was on it's 3rd year and had no issues. $20 and up for 200 yds, I'm gonna do my best to make it last. Big-O taught me something I've been doing religiously. Before heading in for the day, clean your line. Make a long cast and reel in the line through a clean towel. Seems to help.

The heat probably isn't doing it any good, but fluoro will separate the men from the boys in the knot tying department for sure.

I don't have any experience with your line, but I have tried other fluorocarbon lines (can't remember exactly which) that broke easily and I was very dissatisfied. I've gone completely to BPS fluor (in a white box). In my experience, you can't break that stuff! When I first started using it, I made the mistake of wrapping the line around my hand to break it off. Got a nice cut for the effort. Like BobP, I use it until the spool gets empty. If you can afford it, I'd try different lines to see others might perform more up to expectations.

Deep, the only problem with your swimmie combo is that it's not in my hands. Shimano FX 2500 6' Shakespeare Graphite Series M/F 8# Stren ...seriously.

Talk is cheap especially on the internet.

Well Clary, The economic system we live under here in the United States drives prices of goods/services that are limited/desired up, and goods/services that are plentiful/undesired down. To illustrate this fundamental economic principle, let's say one consumer spends 3x more money than another on any given good/service. The consumer who spent the greater amount of capital is purchasing a good/service that is either A. more desirable and or B. more limited. So, by applying this economic principle to Redlinerobert's pricey combo you can see why I was shocked by the low rating it received. The pricetag on the combo Redlinerobert posted was dictated by either one or both of the forces mentioned above. Basically, Robert's combo is either A. unique or B. Quality. So, yes Clary I'll be the first one to admit I was a little surprised to see a piece of merchandise that posses traits of either being rare or quality faced with opposition. It's kinda like seeing a shooting star, it's unusual and tends to shock the viewer at first. On a side note post a description of a Walmart combo with cheap monofilament ,and see how that combo gets rated............Money isn't relevant!?!? It all goes back to the simple concept you get what you pay for. Oh wait this only holds true to people who don't try and purposely purchase miss marked items......

If cost mattered in this game it would be called "Give me a 1-10 on how much my combo costs" But it's not. The man gave it a seven because he wasn't a fan of the Steez line. And everything is rated in it's respective price range. i.e, a St.Croix Premier wont get a 3 and a JDM Zillion HLC doesn't get a 14.

Well, technically volume of sales at a given price would be more indicative of how people perceive the value of the item, not at what price the manufacturer/retailer set the price. And, as with anything, there's a certain status symbol type element that goes along with high dollar purchases that is not always related to performance. Or more appropriately, the assumption that in a free market people always make logical choices is false.