Best Flourocarbon For Baitcast With A Finesse Application

[hendrix190]

Knowing close to nothing about flourocarbon i bought a spool of berkely vanish. At first it seemed fine except the fact it took several trys tieing a knot to get it to hold without breaking. I did however know that certain knots worked better with flourocarbon than others. So after researching and trying every (flourocarbon approved knot) unsuccessfully, i came to the conclusion that the knots were not the problem it was the line itself. After fishing with it a few more times the line started breaking at various places and the knot tieing got worse, it would take up to 10 trys to get a knot to hold. I decided to start researching flourocarbon brands. Turns out berkely vanish is one of the worse brands, i did find otheres that had very good reviews. Seaguar invizx, p-line 100% flourocarbon were 2 that caught i eye. So i went and picked up a spool of seaguar invizx flourocarbon in 15 pound test. The knot tieing seems alot better, but this line seems really stiff. Doesnt cast very well when casting light lures. The fluorocarbon is going on my fienesse rod and reel. Its a 6'10" medium falcon bucoo micro rod, and a quantum tour edition pt baitcasting reel. I cast very light lures, mainly ill be casting a 4 3/4" zoom finesse worm wieghtless. It wieghs around 1/8 ounce. So i need a line that has a very small diamaiter and isnt too stiff so i can cast it very far, yet i would like it to be atleast 14 pound test. I need the line to have very little stretch, small diamaiter and plyable so it can cast far, and have good knot strength, something that doesnt take 10 trys to get a knot to hold and doent have much memory. Prefeably flourocarbon, but a low stretch mono would work too. I know this is alot to ask from a line. But if anyone knows of a line that has these qualities plz give me some suggestions. Thanx

[BradH]

With the criteria you have listed (small diameter, low stretch, 14+ test, long cast, light lures) you may want to look into braid. I'm thinking 20-30 pound braid might fit the specs you are asking for but maybe someone else will chime in. I have a similar setup I use for basically the same thing and I put 8 pound fluoro on it.

[roadwarrior]

The best?

Tatsu, nothin' to talk about except the price.

[hendrix190]

i kinda wanted to stay away from braid, and i concidered tatsu but i couldnt get over the price, lol, what do u guys think about 12 pound test for soft plastics? is it strong enough for the impact of a powerful hookset? i would probably beable to cast farther and it wouldnt be as stiff, but i wonder if its strong enough

[BASSclary]

I use 6 # for my soft plastics. 10# is more than enough. I recommend 8# AbrazX

[Packard]

Step down to at least 10#. Some of my favorites are InvisX, FC Sniper, and Sugoi.

[Hi Salenity]

I actually like 12# vanish and haven't had any issues with it breaking. I must have the only good spool.

I have 12# shooter on another reel but it costs more than Tatsu so that's out .

Try Berkley 100% flouro.

[Bassyak]

I keep 10# Berkley 100% Flouro on a Curado 50E/Loomis BCR802 GLX for my finesse applications. Hauled in a nice 5 pounder on a weightless Zoom Fluke last weekend.

[Hooligan]

Tatsu, plain and simple. It's worth the dollars you're going to spend. I've got some that is three years old, possibly four- can't remember when I got it, and it's like new. I've had to add some backing underneath, but the line itself is perfect.

[MrSwimJig]

Tatsu all the way, you will not be dissapointed with it once you get over the sticker shock.

[RyneB]

I was in the same boat as you as far as hating every fluoro i tried. I recently spooled up some Sufix Invisline castable fluoro, I LOVE IT.

[Lake Forest Bassin]

Get yourself some KVD line and lure conditioner!

[deep]

I have a question for the fluoro users in general. When you get snagged and have to break off, does that kink up the line? What about after picking out backlashes?

Last time I spooled a reel with FC was a year back, but I'm getting the itch to try it out again...

[eyedabassman]

The best?

Tatsu, nothin' to talk about except the price.

RW, Why do you like Tatsu more than the other Seaguar lines? I was thinking of trying it this year. Are you using it on spinning gear?

[JIGFISHERMAN.]

I have a question for the fluoro users in general. When you get snagged and have to break off, does that kink up the line? What about after picking out backlashes?

Last time I spooled a reel with FC was a year back, but I'm getting the itch to try it out again...

Yes, in my experience. More importantly it will stretch it, and it won't return.

[JIGFISHERMAN.]

Knowing close to nothing about flourocarbon i bought a spool of berkely vanish. At first it seemed fine except the fact it took several trys tieing a knot to get it to hold without breaking. I did however know that certain knots worked better with flourocarbon than others. So after researching and trying every (flourocarbon approved knot) unsuccessfully, i came to the conclusion that the knots were not the problem it was the line itself. After fishing with it a few more times the line started breaking at various places and the knot tieing got worse, it would take up to 10 trys to get a knot to hold. I decided to start researching flourocarbon brands. Turns out berkely vanish is one of the worse brands, i did find otheres that had very good reviews. Seaguar invizx, p-line 100% flourocarbon were 2 that caught i eye. So i went and picked up a spool of seaguar invizx flourocarbon in 15 pound test. The knot tieing seems alot better, but this line seems really stiff. Doesnt cast very well when casting light lures. The fluorocarbon is going on my fienesse rod and reel. Its a 6'10" medium falcon bucoo micro rod, and a quantum tour edition pt baitcasting reel. I cast very light lures, mainly ill be casting a 4 3/4" zoom finesse worm wieghtless. It wieghs around 1/8 ounce. So i need a line that has a very small diamaiter and isnt too stiff so i can cast it very far, yet i would like it to be atleast 14 pound test. I need the line to have very little stretch, small diamaiter and plyable so it can cast far, and have good knot strength, something that doesnt take 10 trys to get a knot to hold and doent have much memory. Prefeably flourocarbon, but a low stretch mono would work too. I know this is alot to ask from a line. But if anyone knows of a line that has these qualities plz give me some suggestions. Thanx

Drop all the way down to 10lb YZ hybrid. It's still a co-poly, and won't sink as well as a 100% Flouro, but what you lose in density you will more than make up for in reduced diameter.

IMO you can get away with much smaller LB rating Y/Z because it is so strong.

[deep]

Yes, in my experience. More importantly it will stretch it, and it won't return.

And when that happens, should I change the line?

You see, I get snagged several times a day when I fish jigs, and I have to break off jigs once in a while.

[JIGFISHERMAN.]

In my opinion yes....Maybe not all flouro will do it. I know Vicious, Pline 100%, and Berkley 100% will.

[deep]

I guess I can avoid backlashes.. I've gotten pretty good at it (throwing high $$ baits on braid will make you good at it). But I don't know how I can avoid snags when fishing jigs. And the cost factor is one of the reasons that's keeping me away from trying fluoro again.

[NBR]

I have used Vanish for several years with absolutely no trouble. I use a Palomar knot for most every thing and have never had a break off at the knot. I have used BPS fluoro recently but that was a cost driven issue not lack of satisfaction.

[new2BC4bass]

Can I assume you have read TTs tests on fluorocarbon lines? If not, here is the sequel

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbon2.html

and the first review

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbontest.html

One thing I am constantly reading is that fluorocarbon has no or low stretch compared to mono, yet TT's tests prove otherwise. I'm not going to reread the articles, but if memory serves me correctly, the harder lines have better abrasion resistance, but are "springier" on the reel. Also I believe the softer lines had better know strength. You takes yer pick and lives with it.

[JIGFISHERMAN.]

Again based on my limited experience, flouro does have less stretch. It will stretch, but it comes at a MUCH closer to total breaking strength figure than does mono. Mono will start stretching almost right away with some mono's

[hendrix190]

Can I assume you have read TTs tests on fluorocarbon lines? If not, here is the sequel

http://www.tackletou...orocarbon2.html

and the first review

http://www.tackletou...carbontest.html

One thing I am constantly reading is that fluorocarbon has no or low stretch compared to mono, yet TT's tests prove otherwise. I'm not going to reread the articles, but if memory serves me correctly, the harder lines have better abrasion resistance, but are "springier" on the reel. Also I believe the softer lines had better know strength. You takes yer pick and lives with it.

i did read the first part, but i havent seen the second part of the review, thanx for post that.. after reading the results, makes u wonder if flourocarbon is any better than just using mono...wut really bothers me is that flouro gets deformed when strained, does it weaken as well?? i fish in thick cover, i have to break off 2 or 3 worms when snagged each fishing trip, wut the hell is happening to my line when i do that?

[Hooligan]

Strain and stretch are two different things in terms of what it does to the line. I hang up jigs all the time with 20lb Tatsu and have either pulled them out or broken off with no ill effect to the line. I mean, really, if that were the case every fish you land on...say... 6lb Tatsu on a dropshot rod... would stretch your line and it would be near worthless after a single fish. Stretch is not the killer, it's the deformation of the line across the cross section that will injure the performance.

[hendrix190]

Strain and stretch are two different things in terms of what it does to the line. I hang up jigs all the time with 20lb Tatsu and have either pulled them out or broken off with no ill effect to the line. I mean, really, if that were the case every fish you land on...say... 6lb Tatsu on a dropshot rod... would stretch your line and it would be near worthless after a single fish. Stretch is not the killer, it's the deformation of the line across the cross section that will injure the performance.

well what cuases deformation?