Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted January 19, 2021 Global Moderator Posted January 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, DitchPanda said: No worries in fact I was just stating that while I appreciate your support your wasting your time! Not verbatim of course but you get what I'm saying I smell what you’re stepping in. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 There's a dude with a tin tiller, a modified cooler to hold fish, two rods, and a three-tray hip-roof tackle box. He shows up to local opens and is quietly massing a retirement fund from all the donations he receives from others that enter these contests. He's the best I know. 2 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, J Francho said: There's a dude with a tin tiller, a modified cooler to hold fish, two rods, and a three-tray hip-roof tackle box. He shows up to local opens and is quietly massing a retirement fund from all the donations he receives from others that enter these contests. He's the best I know. Over here, they would have simply passed a “no tiller” rule after he won a couple and carried on fishing without him ? True. 1 3 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 He doesn't even have a trolling motor, lol. Spends most of the day in reverse, standing in the stern, with his foot on the tiller. 2 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, J Francho said: He doesn't even have a trolling motor, lol. Spends most of the day in reverse, standing in the stern, with his foot on the tiller. That alone would have got him disqualified immediately for fishing while the gas engine is running. He wouldn’t win a penny here. Our tourney guys know all the tricks to shut down old men in tin boats from making them look bad ? 1 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 The "big motor" is an 8 hp Tohatsu. These aren't big money deals, but turnout can be high. Usually $100/team. Pretty sure he's a trout and salmon guide and in summer, that work is non existent. He's a genuinely nice guy, but it's fun to use him as an example in these threads. Here he is taking our money: 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 10 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: I don’t think electronics has anything at all to do with it. Every angler has access to them, it’s not an advantage unless one competitor can use them and the other can’t Absolutely does! How good do you think Buck Perry would have been with today's electronics? Another false argument is money won, anglers today can win more in a single event than the could in a year. To me the ultimate test was the Megabucks series! Under a Megabucks format the lake was divided into 12 sections, each angler starts in a section & then they rotate through sections until each angler fished all 12 sections. Try fishing behind KVD, Clunn, Roland Martin, Gary Klein, Denny Brauer & others. Larry Nixon was the first to $1,000,000 with 4 Megabucks wins, a feat not even KVD or Clunn accomplished, they never won one. 3 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Catt said: Larry Nixon was the first to $1,000,000 with 4 Megabucks wins, a feat not even KVD or Clunn accomplished, they never won one. This. In a time when payouts were MUCH less than they are today with NO GUARANTEES. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted January 19, 2021 Global Moderator Posted January 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Catt said: Absolutely does! How good do you think Buck Perry would have been with today's electronics? Another false argument is money won, anglers today can win more in a single event than the could in a year. To me the ultimate test was the Megabucks series! Under a Megabucks format the lake was divided into 12 sections, each angler starts in a section & then they rotate through sections until each angler fished all 12 sections. Try fishing behind KVD, Clunn, Roland Martin, Gary Klein, Denny Brauer & others. Larry Nixon was the first to $1,000,000 with 4 Megabucks wins, a feat not even KVD or Clunn accomplished, they never won one. Well if buck perry could use today’s electronics, so could the other people he fished against. That’s all I’m sayin 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: Well if buck perry could use today’s electronics, so could the other people he fished against. That’s all I’m sayin A different way to look at, take the electronics away & see who is still standing. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted January 19, 2021 Global Moderator Posted January 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Catt said: A different way to look at, take the electronics away & see who is still standing. Never mind....... I should have listened to @DitchPanda 1 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Catt said: Larry Nixon was the first to $1,000,000 with 4 Megabucks wins, a feat not even KVD or Clunn accomplished, they never won one. Clunn won Megabucks once, plus had a 2nd and 3rd place showing in two others. 2 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted January 19, 2021 Global Moderator Posted January 19, 2021 “Jordan lee would never win without a 250 horsepower “ is the equivalent of the electronics argument Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Team9nine said: Clunn won Megabucks once, plus had a 2nd and 3rd place showing in two others. You correct, after Nixon's last both Clunn & KVD have once. Out of 15 entries Nixon won 4, 2nd, 4th, & 9th. Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Catt said: You correct, after Nixon's last both Clunn & KVD have once. Out of 15 entries Nixon won 4, 2nd, 4th, & 9th. KVD never won Megabucks but did have a few Top 10s in the event. There are actually some pretty staggering stats for all the top guys when you really look at them closely. 1 Quote
Super User Choporoz Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 What are head to head numbers? Most of the rest is noise to me....but then I tend to try avoid LeBron/Jordan conversations 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, Team9nine said: KVD never won Megabucks but did have a few Top 10s in the event. There are actually some pretty staggering stats for all the top guys when you really look at them closely. Thought KVD won one of the last ones. I'm having difficulty pulling up all the results. If one considers the floormat of a Megabucks & the field of competitors it's an amazing tournament. 1 Quote
billmac Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 Part of my reason for going with Roland is sentimental. He was my fishing hero growing up. I don't know who follows hockey here, but I would compare the Roland Martin vs KVD debate to be like Bobby Orr vs Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky put up phenomenal numbers, but Bobby Orr changed how hockey was played. In my opinion a big part of the reason professional tournament fishing is even a "thing" now is because of Martin. 2 Quote
Super User DitchPanda Posted January 19, 2021 Author Super User Posted January 19, 2021 I concede. The greatest of all time is Rick Clunn..or Larry Nixon...or Basil Bacon....or the salmon guide guy with the tiller. But not KVD because he had role models and better electronics. He's really not very good. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 One of the reasons the debates over "all time greatest" in any sport usually doesn't amount to much is because everyone has their reasons for why they think the way they do and they get upset when someone disagrees with them. There is no right or wrong and everyone has made valid points. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because it is all opinions and nothing more. There doesn't have to be a greatest ever, but there are certainly a lot of great ones, I think everyone would agree on that. 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 You give up too easy. ? 24 minutes ago, DitchPanda said: I concede. 1 Quote
Super User DitchPanda Posted January 19, 2021 Author Super User Posted January 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, J Francho said: You give up too easy. ? Yeah maybe but I realized that I started an opinion based thread and spent my time trying to convince people there opinion was wrong...stupid of me. My thought process is KVD is the winningest angler in B.A.S.S history which in my mind is the premier tournament league so that's why I feel he is the best. Larry Nixon and Rick Clunn are also exceptional anglers both have been extremely successful so I get the argument for both. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 19, 2021 Super User Posted January 19, 2021 It's winter. Expect a good debate. 1 Quote
Super User DitchPanda Posted January 19, 2021 Author Super User Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, J Francho said: It's winter. Expect a good debate. Good point. Easier in warm weather to say screw this I'm not messing with this crap..I'm going fishing. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted January 19, 2021 Global Moderator Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DitchPanda said: Yeah maybe but I realized that I started an opinion based thread and spent my time trying to convince people there opinion was wrong...stupid of me. My thought process is KVD is the winningest angler in B.A.S.S history which in my mind is the premier tournament league so that's why I feel he is the best. Larry Nixon and Rick Clunn are also exceptional anglers both have been extremely successful so I get the argument for both. Kevin has also beaten clunn, Klein, and Nixon I’m sure. It’s like when Kevin Durant hits a late shot in two different NBA finals to beat Lebron, everyone says lebron is better??? It’s just a “who is your favorite” type thing Quote
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