fishraptor Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 I happen to be very fond the the Steez SV TW baitcasters. I have a few plus the Zillion, it's baby brother. Subject reel is on my Dolbyns CD 736 frog rod and it's an absolutely beautiful combo. It is unbelievably forgiving and casts quite far..... however I am hardly every satisfied so I was wondering if anyone had any "tips/trick" to get the Steez to cast any farther. Even w/40# braid I can get out to between 40 & 50 yards w/a plastic frog. Even though she casts quit far my free spool is not that impressive at only like 4 seconds ?? Not sure if this is hurting me at all as far as distance. I have stock bearings and don't know if changing them with ceramics would help ? Of all the information gathering I did I see that some people have shaved a smidgen off the magnetic brake hub/cup... I have head scuttlebut about changing the spring on the Magnetic brake hub/cup might influence distance... Don't know if they back a superior replacement spool for that reel that would help ? I was hoping that with the popularity of that expensive reel that their is someway to tweek/modify it for increase casting distance. I did buy some TSI 321.... should I be using that on the spool bearings ? Not sure what it has for lubricant on the spool from the factory ? I can only assume that one of the high end DC models out there should easily be able to outcast it but I have never owned a DC reel yet. If I had to I would sell the Steez and just buy a DC to get the extra distance but not sure what model to choose. Obviously it would have to hold a lot of 40# braid. Some might ask why would you need a frog rod setup to cast over 50 yards and there are times when your in a swampy area with pockets wwwwayyy back that you would like to reach without taking boat back there..... Quote
txchaser Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 Tatula elite long cast is built for what you are trying to do. SV spool is probably better for lots of control on lighter baits. I saw a video test of the elite vs the DC, DC was a smidge longer cast but it was by like 5-7 feet. Quote
Basseditor Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 8 hours ago, fishraptor said: I happen to be very fond the the Steez SV TW baitcasters. I have a few plus the Zillion, it's baby brother. Subject reel is on my Dolbyns CD 736 frog rod and it's an absolutely beautiful combo. It is unbelievably forgiving and casts quite far..... however I am hardly every satisfied so I was wondering if anyone had any "tips/trick" to get the Steez to cast any farther. Even w/40# braid I can get out to between 40 & 50 yards w/a plastic frog. Even though she casts quit far my free spool is not that impressive at only like 4 seconds ?? Not sure if this is hurting me at all as far as distance. I have stock bearings and don't know if changing them with ceramics would help ? Of all the information gathering I did I see that some people have shaved a smidgen off the magnetic brake hub/cup... I have head scuttlebut about changing the spring on the Magnetic brake hub/cup might influence distance... Don't know if they back a superior replacement spool for that reel that would help ? I was hoping that with the popularity of that expensive reel that their is someway to tweek/modify it for increase casting distance. I did buy some TSI 321.... should I be using that on the spool bearings ? Not sure what it has for lubricant on the spool from the factory ? I can only assume that one of the high end DC models out there should easily be able to outcast it but I have never owned a DC reel yet. If I had to I would sell the Steez and just buy a DC to get the extra distance but not sure what model to choose. Obviously it would have to hold a lot of 40# braid. Some might ask why would you need a frog rod setup to cast over 50 yards and there are times when your in a swampy area with pockets wwwwayyy back that you would like to reach without taking boat back there..... I haven’t tried braid on my Steez. I use 14# K9 flouro for throwing lipless crankbaits. They cast very far. But it’s not stock. I put in ZPI spool and bearings and use the ZPI bearing oil. The rod is a Kistler 7’11” KLX moderate action rod. 1 minute ago, basseditor said: I haven’t tried braid on my Steez. I use 14# K9 flouro for throwing lipless crankbaits. They cast very far. But it’s not stock. I put in ZPI spool and bearings and use the ZPI bearing oil. The rod is a Kistler 7’11” KLX moderate action rod. Let me add. It’s a the Steez A I use for distance. My SVs aren’t set up for distance. One has a stock Zillion SV spool and the other a ZPI spool. (I put a ZPI spool in the Zillion that I took the SV spool from.) Quote
Super User fishwizzard Posted January 31, 2020 Super User Posted January 31, 2020 A RCS 1012sv spool gives amazing distance in a Steez SVTW, with 40lb braid I can cast down to the spool knot pretty easily. I’ve never tried to calculate how much line I can get on there however, I mostly use mine for pitching and closer and target casting Quote
fishraptor Posted January 31, 2020 Author Posted January 31, 2020 9 hours ago, fishwizzard said: A RCS 1012sv spool gives amazing distance in a Steez SVTW, with 40lb braid I can cast down to the spool knot pretty easily. I’ve never tried to calculate how much line I can get on there however, I mostly use mine for pitching and closer and target casting What exactly does the RCS 1012sv do that makes is cast better than the stock spool ? You didn't mention whether also changed the stock bearings out to a superior set, either steel or Ceramics ? Why did you change out the spool (and bearings if you did) if you just mostly use it for pitching ? I thought the main reason guys replace their spools to a high grade was to get more distance... Please elaborate.... By the way, how much did the RCS 1012sv cost and assume the swap was pretty straight forward.... Quote
Super User FishTank Posted February 1, 2020 Super User Posted February 1, 2020 I have the Steez SV TWS and it wouldn't be my first choice for frogs. To me it's more of a finesse reel. I have tried it for several techniques and found it shines best with weightless soft plastic, 3/8oz cranks, and light jigs. It does cast a mile in my opinion but when compared to other reels I own it doesn't cast heavier lures as far. I have paired mine with a St. Croix Legend Elite 7' M Fast. I am not nocking it in anyway though. I am comfortable saying it's the best reel I have ever used. I just don't think it's the best choice for a heavy frog rod and also, braid. I tried braid on it and did not care for it. 12lb FC is what I have found works for me on this reel. As far as the casting distance goes... My reel out of the box was almost bone dry and did not cast as well as I like it. I broke it down and added a few drops of oil and a little grease and it definitely made a noticeable difference. I don't think you can get much better than the stock bearings. I would also not worry about the spool speed you see in those videos. This reel's spool was designed and set at the factory with no adjust spool tension knob. I believe there is a little caution note from Daiwa in the manual about changing this. For frogs I have tried several reels and so far like the Shimano Bantam the best. It's built like a tank and can handle pulling a ton of cabbage out of those dense lily pads. 1 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted February 1, 2020 Super User Posted February 1, 2020 I've got quite a few steez SV tws and Steez A's . All of them have or I put the G1 Steez SV spool on it. Use them for flipping/pitching wood for jigs to shallow cranks....would never use one for frogs....and it's my Favorite reel they've made since the Td-Z. If you think you're casting 40-50 yards and you think you need to cast further, you aren't casting 50 yards. I really don't think people know exactly how far 50 yards actually is.Also, Free spool has absolutely nothing to do /w casting distance. literally, nothing. It's also an SV spool...it's not an HLC or R+ spool that's meant for distance. In my opinion, stock daiwa spool bearings aren't great. you'll get some good ones, but for the most part, I've found them less than ideal on all the reels I've worked on. If you want to find a reel just to "bomb" lures, don't use an SV spool. 1 1 Quote
Super User fishwizzard Posted February 1, 2020 Super User Posted February 1, 2020 3 hours ago, fishraptor said: What exactly does the RCS 1012sv do that makes is cast better than the stock spool ? You didn't mention whether also changed the stock bearings out to a superior set, either steel or Ceramics ? Why did you change out the spool (and bearings if you did) if you just mostly use it for pitching ? I thought the main reason guys replace their spools to a high grade was to get more distance... Please elaborate.... By the way, how much did the RCS 1012sv cost and assume the swap was pretty straight forward.... It's a shallower, lighter spool that starts up very fast, I used it with 40lb braid to pitch 1/2oz jigs from the bank and the faster spool helps me make longer pitches while keeping the lure low. The same jig on a good cast will almost dump the spool. I don't like using braid for jigs unless am fishing them pretty close in so the lower spool capasity doesn't bother me. I now use the same spool in a Steez A for the this purpose and if anything it caster more freely in it vs the Steez SV TW. The spool was like $100 and is a drop-in part. I keep the bearings stock but flush and oil them. Quote
NOC 1 Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 7:37 PM, FishTank said: As far as the casting distance goes... My reel out of the box was almost bone dry and did not cast as well as I like it. I broke it down and added a few drops of oil and a little grease and it definitely made a noticeable difference. I don't think you can get much better than the stock bearings. I would also not worry about the spool speed you see in those videos. This reel's spool was designed and set at the factory with no adjust spool tension knob. I believe there is a little caution note from Daiwa in the manual about changing this. About that "No Adjust" spool tension knob...as far as I can see it is the same setup as I have on all my PX68's Steez OG and TD Z's. I think that the issue is that Daiwa reels are made so that you set them up by releasing the clutch, loosen the spool until you get a little side to side motion, and then tighten the knob to where it just stops that wiggle. The problem is that many people set up their reels by putting the bait on the rod and then loosening the spool until the bait slowly drops,tightening so that the spool stops as soon as the bait touches the ground. Or they use some other traditional method. This leads to a lot of people then complaining that they are not getting the great distances out of their expensive new Daiwa reels. Daiwa's answer was to simply set the knob at the factory and call it a zero adjust knob. In Daiwa world you set up the reel the way I said, and then use the brakes for all the adjustments. Of course if you buy a reel, you have the right to set it up however you see fit. Quote
NOC 1 Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 5:35 PM, fishraptor said: What exactly does the RCS 1012sv do that makes is cast better than the stock spool ? You didn't mention whether also changed the stock bearings out to a superior set, either steel or Ceramics ? Why did you change out the spool (and bearings if you did) if you just mostly use it for pitching ? I thought the main reason guys replace their spools to a high grade was to get more distance... Please elaborate.... By the way, how much did the RCS 1012sv cost and assume the swap was pretty straight forward.... I think that the main reason people change to the fancy lightweight spools is to get better distance when casting very light lures. Those spools probably wouldn't help you cast frogs I wouldn't think. It does help with pitching, especially light stuff as the light spool is much easier to start turning without a big casting motion. I would think that for tossing heavier stuff like swim baits and frogs, something like the Zillion reels or maybe the non SV Tatula would be a better choice. In my opinion, the Steez series (and the SV stuff in general) is best for 1/4 oz to maybe 3/4 oz baits. The Steez A might be better, but I'm not sure never having had one. I know it is quite a bit heavier which I imagine would be a good thing as I can't imagine a Steez, being a very lightweight reel, balances a frogging rod very well. Mine feel at home on shorter (6'3" to 6'6") very lightweight Japanese style rods. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted February 4, 2020 Super User Posted February 4, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 9:31 PM, BaitFinesse said: By plastic frog do you mean a a paddle tail type "toad" soft plastic frog or a hollow body frog? I can dump the spool of 50# braid with a Terminator Walking Frog on all reels I've tried but that thing is a rocket. My Tatula SV can do it but it doesn't like it and I have to cast it really hard. My IP68 with Zillion HLC spool is by far the easiest. You don't even have to try and it will insta-dump the spool. A lot of guys will change out the stock springs for the HLC spring when wanting more distance. There are also some other SV spools and ZPI spools guys like to run to get more distance. I think the stock Zilliom SV TW is one of those spools. Otherwise you can maybe look into the Tatula Elite long cast, Curado K or a TD Zillion with TD Zillion HLC spool. I'm a big fan of the TD Zillion and HLC spool for frogs. Sweet little baby jesus I love the IP reels. Aways the birdesmaid never the bride trying for the IP68 1 Quote
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