Asking a lot, frog rod that can double 6" senko whacky

[Bandersnatch]

Wondering what high sensitivity frog rods out therd that might have enough tip to throw a weightless 6 inch whacky senko in and around heavy grass. 

[Shimano_1]

Most are gonna prefer a stiffer rod for frog fishing than they would want for a wacky senko. I fish a frog a lot on a 7'2 med hvy jig worm rod that has some tip and could be used for the senko. No clue what it budget is to actually suggest a particular rod. Dobyns, daiwa, shimano, st croix,  basspro and I'm sure plenty of others offer similar sticks in varying price ranges

[Bandersnatch]

Any budget, I was thinking maybe expride 7'2h or nrx 894 but not sure if anyone has experience froging on the 894. 

[FishTank]

This not really a designated frog rod by Loomis but the 844C GLX will throw a frog a long way and will also work well for a weightless senko.  It's light, sensitive and has enough backbone to pull a fish out of some cabbage.  I have also used it for jigs and heavy jerkbaits.  It's one of the more versatile rods I own. 

[bwjay]

I bet a Kistler Helium3, 7'3" HXF would do it. I have the 7' (prefer shorter rods) and it's not bad for frogging, but I am looking for a slightly stiffer rod (going to use it as a light punch rod as well) so the Helium3 isn't a perfect frog rod. It will definitely work for 6" Senkos and maybe even 5", though I'd probably stick to 6" and up just so the rod loads up a bit more on the cast and retrieve. I use the 6'9MHXF for 5" Senkos and it works wonders. The 7'HXF gets frogging, flipping, heavy swim jigs, and anything around the 3/4oz-1oz range. I don't throw big worms but if I did, the 7'HXF would be great. The action of the Helium3 blanks makes them very versatile, like an MBR taper from G. Loomis. There are still better rods for certain applications, and the Helium3 blanks are a bit tip-heavy in my experience, but they're lightweight, sensitive, and versatile, and I like them for that.

[WRB]

Iron IRG754F should work for you.

Tom

[fishwizzard]

 

https://www.megabass.co.jp/site/products/des_ch_f5-67x

 

I have been looking at this silly rod for months but have never pulled the trigger due to the price.  I think it's exactly what I am looking for in a short frog rod but I have yet to be bold enough to roll the dice.  

[Bandersnatch]

Interesting length 

[dodgeguy]

I've thrown a 5 inch on a BPS Johnny Morris 7-6 heavy extra fast. Problem is wacky rig hooks bend easy. 

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, Chief250 said:

Interesting length 

Yea, I am looking for something that would be easy to hike with to fish shallow marshes, so short is what I am looking for.  A P5 Megabass isn't going to be a super powerful rod, so long bomb casts deep aren't really going to be useful.  I have been using a slower rods for frogs this past year and while it takes some adjustment to your hookset, once you have them on it's so so much easier get them landed and to keep them hooked up when they jump.  

 

A 6" senko is going to be around 1/2oz, so as long as you use a strong hook to rig them with I think a lot of rods will do what you are looking for.   

[Hammer 4]

6 hours ago, WRB said:

Iron IRG754F should work for you.

Tom

Tom did you mean to say..Irod IRG 754 C..?  I could not find a 754 F model.

[WRB]

41 minutes ago, Hammer 4 said:

Tom did you mean to say..Irod IRG 754 C..?  I could not find a 754 F model.

Irod Gen 2 IRG754F is correct for Freds Magic, 7'5" frog rod, glass composite. It's over kill for 6" Senko however will cast it OK. I also use this rod for smaller swim-wake baits plus big deep diving crank baits and pitch jigs with it. Mine is over 6 years old now.

IRG744C would also work and probably a better choice for a Senko / jig & worm rod, frogs being secondary. I got the Magic Stick frog rod for a trip to Clear lake years ago and found other uses for it.

Tom

[a1712]

6 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

I've trown a 5 inch on a BPS Johnny Morris 7-6 heavy extra fast. Problem is wacky rig hooks bend easy. 

Go to a 1, 1/0, 2/0, 2x circle hook. Brian.

[FryDog62]

21 hours ago, bwjay said:

I bet a Kistler Helium3, 7'3" HXF would do it. I have the 7' (prefer shorter rods) and it's not bad for frogging, but I am looking for a slightly stiffer rod (going to use it as a light punch rod as well) so the Helium3 isn't a perfect frog rod. It will definitely work for 6" Senkos and maybe even 5", though I'd probably stick to 6" and up just so the rod loads up a bit more on the cast and retrieve. I use the 6'9MHXF for 5" Senkos and it works wonders. The 7'HXF gets frogging, flipping, heavy swim jigs, and anything around the 3/4oz-1oz range. I don't throw big worms but if I did, the 7'HXF would be great. The action of the Helium3 blanks makes them very versatile, like an MBR taper from G. Loomis. There are still better rods for certain applications, and the Helium3 blanks are a bit tip-heavy in my experience, but they're lightweight, sensitive, and versatile, and I like them for that.

Kistler 7-3 HXF is a good suggestion. The other slightly lighter option might be a Daiwa Tatula MHXF. 

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

How did that Kuying Snakehead rod workout for you?

Still undergoing testing.  If it were a little more powerful/stiff it would be perfect.  With most treble hooked lures and t-rigged soft plastics it gives great hooksets and has a near-perfect landing ratio.  But with frogs it's less great.  If there is little to no slack in the line then it works well, but the rod is so short and soft that it's really challenging to stick a bass if there is much slack.  I mostly used paddle-tail frogs with it and they perform very well as most all hits come on a tight line when I am already reeling.  With "normal" frogs, using ones with more exposed hooks works out a lot better.  I started using a faster reel with it and that helps a lot as well. The short length and soft action make it a dream to target cast with, it's ideal for throwing treble hooked lures right up next to cover, within 30-40' I can drop a lure in very very small pockets.  It's amazing to hike with, the super short length is great and the rod is strong and soft enough that it seems very survivable when moving it through dense brush.  

[MassYak85]

Not judging... But if you can afford an NRX why not just buy two setups that's would be more suited for each technique? Biggest issue I feel is a frog rod need to be able to drive home massive frog hooks whereas a wacky rod needs to have enough give to be forgiving to smaller finesse Hooks. Casting I don't think would be an issue for most frog rods with some tip since 6inch senkos have a bit of weight to them but the hook styles are just so different between the two techniques. Also line....hard to find a happy medium to do both. 

[Bandersnatch]

30 minutes ago, MassYak85 said:

Not judging... But if you can afford an NRX why not just buy two setups that's would be more suited for each technique? Biggest issue I feel is a frog rod need to be able to drive home massive frog hooks whereas a wacky rod needs to have enough give to be forgiving to smaller finesse Hooks. Casting I don't think would be an issue for most frog rods with some tip since 6inch senkos have a bit of weight to them but the hook styles are just so different between the two techniques. Also line....hard to find a happy medium to do both. 

No worries, it's for my buddy. Best thing to do would be a cheaper frog rod and a more sensitive worm rod. Just wondering if you guys came across soemthing that works for both. He currently has a Diablo spec r megabass that gets pushed around hard by small bass in heavy grass 

[Bandersnatch]

2 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

I would highly recommend the Perfect Pitch.  It makes an excellent companion to the DSR.  I have a Orochi xx gen one PP and it is fantastic. 

I've been hearing the perfect pitch is heavy. Thoughts? Looking to pair in an met mgl

[Logan S]

13 minutes ago, Chief250 said:

I've been hearing the perfect pitch is heavy. Thoughts? Looking to pair in an met mgl

I've never thought mine weighs too much.  It is a 7'2" heavy power though so it's not going to be the lightest rod you ever held...But I've never thought of mine as 'heavy'. I have a Core MG7 on mine which should be similar in weight to the new Mets and it balances well and feels very nimble in hand.  

 

I'm late, but I'll echo the recommendations for the Perfect Pitch.  You won't give up anything on the frog side, it's an excellent standalone frog rod.  It's tip is soft enough for the 6" senko though obviously not perfect for that task- But if you want to do both on the same rod, it will work.  It can pull off any bottom contact techniques well, it's very sensitive.  

[Boomstick]

A MH/F rod that is rated for 10-20lbs loaded with 40lb braid is gonna be the way to go for both of those lures if you absolutely have to have one rod for both, but if you can afford a higher end rod you would be better off spending half as much on a M/F and running like 10lb mono/flurocarbon with that one and a H/F rod and run that with 50-65lb braid so you're ready to throw in the thickest of weeds.

 

Something like a St Croix Mojo Bass Jigs and Bait rod (7'1"), Dobyns Sierra 704C, or Daiwa Tatula (6'10" or 7'1"). I threw frogs on my 6'10" MH/F Tatula for a couple of years before buying a proper heavy rod for last year and it was fine as long as I avoided the heaviest of cover.

 

I would also be interested in the 7'2" MH/F Shimano Zodias which should be a little heavier in action, which makes an all-around solid jig rod (except again in really thick cover). The Megabass that fishwizzard posted should be should be fairly similar as well.

[Bandersnatch]

52 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said:

H power but with a light fast tip.  The older PP like I have are heavier in weight but exceptionally well balanced so you don't feel it.  The current gen is much lighter in weight.  They're awesome frog rods and excellent at pitching and jigs and plastics.  I use my Orochi XX PP as a frog rod and as my jig and plastics rod for picking apart docks.  I've heard the current gen PP is great frog rod too.  It would have no problem with frogs or 6 inch Senkos.  I pitch skip wacky 5 inchers on my PP with the stock IP69 spool and flouro.  I have a Zillion HLC with 65# PPv2 for bombing frogs.  Couldn't be happier with it.

Sounds like a good match

[bunz559]

I hardly do much heavy cover frogging. Heaviest rod I use for frogging is a Dobyn's 745. I wouldn't hesitate to through a 6in Senko on it. Dobyn's are known to have slightly light action than most companies. I feel the 745 has a real nice tip for Senkos and walking frogs. I do not like fishing frogs on brooms sticks. 

[Bandersnatch]

13 hours ago, bunz559 said:

I hardly do much heavy cover frogging. Heaviest rod I use for frogging is a Dobyn's 745. I wouldn't hesitate to through a 6in Senko on it. Dobyn's are known to have slightly light action than most companies. I feel the 745 has a real nice tip for Senkos and walking frogs. I do not like fishing frogs on brooms sticks. 

Sometimes, in the juice a broomstick is the best option