Rod or lure issues

[jasondaily]

Hello everyone, went fishing this weekend with a new rod (*** black fate) it has 12 or 14 pound fluorocarbon line.. I through a lipless crankbait and it wasn't swimming at all. Later I tied in a deep diving crankbait (20ft) and while fishing in 12-15 feet I couldn't get the lure all the way down.. is it the lures causing this or the rod ? Any advice would be helpful. 

[PNW LipRipper]

On the liples crank did you allow it to sink for a few seconds. Your line could have been wrapped in the hook. With the deep diver you need to crank them down fast to the range you want. I know from the bank it's difficult some times.

[jasondaily]

On the lipless once I castes it a few times and confirmed it wasn't vibrating/swimming I tested on the top of the water near the boat. Just kind of pulling it and seeing that it did and it wasn't doing what it should..

 

in the deep dive in using a 6.3:1 which is faster then what the internet says to use. So I don't know if speed is the issue but I may be mistaken.. crankbaits are suppose to be reeled slow correct ? 

[J.Vincent]

What is the rod power and action? What is the weight of the lure ? What is the speed of the reel ?

[Stephen B]

2 hours ago, jasondaily said:

Hello everyone, went fishing this weekend with a new rod (*** black fate) it has 12 or 14 pound fluorocarbon line.. I through a lipless crankbait and it wasn't swimming at all. Later I tied in a deep diving crankbait (20ft) and while fishing in 12-15 feet I couldn't get the lure all the way down.. is it the lures causing this or the rod ? Any advice would be helpful. 

No idea regarding the lipless but the DD crankbait rated to run 20ft will not achieve its maximum depth with 14 lb line. 

[jasondaily]

4 minutes ago, J.Vincent said:

What is the rod power and action? What is the weight of the lure ? What is the speed of the reel ?

7"3 medium heavy, lipless is 1/2 oz, DD is a Berkeley dredger 20.5, reel is 6.3:1

[J.Vincent]

The Fate rod is an all graphite rod if I remember correctly;  or do they make a composite version ? If it’s a graphite rod not designed for crankbaits then try using monofilament , this may help with the Lipless crankbait

[jasondaily]

4 minutes ago, J.Vincent said:

The Fate rod is an all graphite rod if I remember correctly;  or do they make a composite version ? If it’s a graphite rod not designed for crankbaits then try using monofilament , this may help with the Lipless crankbait

It is an all graphite rod. I know it's not designed for cranking specifically. 

[jasondaily]

I fish on a kayak so space is limited and kind of looking for a multi purpose rod for heavy lures..currently I have a top water rod, medium rod for light lures/shallow cranking, med/heavy (fate) for jigs/deep cranking.. but if the fate doesn't perform what would be a good choice for the $100 range (thinking dobyns fury or kastking pro rod) 

[fishnkamp]

The Dobyns Fury 704CB would be good for that price range. You could also look at a Powell Inferno 705CB MH Glass/composite rod,  It runs $100. Take a good look at the write ups on their websites.

 

 

 

 

[LionHeart]

It takes a fairly long cast to get a crankbait down to 20 feet.  Even then, the amount of time it will spend at depth is limited.  

 

I'm guessing you were fishing from the bank but have no idea.  Is it possible your lure made it to the bottom but the surface was silty? 

 

Sometimes It's not easy to tell when you have a soft bottom.

 

BTW, I think a 6 speed reel is perfect for deep cranks, don't listen to the internet (unless It's me).

[Deleted account]

The rod will have little or no effect on the swimming of those lures, the line will, but shouldn't cause a lipless to not swim at all. I'd check to make sure the split ring isn't caught on the tie (I'm assuming there is one there, check that too). Also the lipless could be damaged or defective in some way. The crankbait with 14 lb line will get to maybe 10-12 feet or so.

[Tim Kelly]

You said above that cranks should be reeled slow. I think that may be your issue? Your idea of slow and a you tube idea of slow might be quite different. You need to reel them quite fast to get the bait to it's maximum depth, then you can slow down if that's what the fish tell you. Lipless need to be reeled fast enough too, otherwise they won't do much of anything.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

To hit 20 foot you need at least a 60 yrd cast and a fast start up and the main thing is 20 foot of water .

[Spankey]

Not all lipless crankbaits are created equal. And of all crankbaits lipless have some of the tightest wobbles and swim actions. It may of had a slight shimmy and you may not even noticed it. Hang your line over one of the hooks, they generally flaten out sideway and come to the top of the water. I only fish mono and fluoro. Don't know much about braid and its effects. 

[blckshirt98]

How are you holding your rod?  Are you in-line with the bait or do you have it angled down and out to the side in some weird way like when you're trying to fight a fish in?  Try sticking your rod right in front of you in-line with the bait, that lipless or crankbait should vibrate right away, and, don't be shy about sticking the tip of your rod down in the water to get more depth.

[OnthePotomac]

Try 10lb flouro and see what happens.

[jasondaily]

51 minutes ago, OnthePotomac said:

Try 10lb flouro and see what happens.

I'm not actively fishing big bass, if I catch one that would be amazing and by sheer luck.. but seeing how I fish Toledo bend where big bass live. Let's say I hook a 12 pounder, will 10 pound be able to real it in? I would imainge I would have to be super careful. 

[Deleted account]

45 minutes ago, jasondaily said:

I'm not actively fishing big bass, if I catch one that would be amazing and by sheer luck.. but seeing how I fish Toledo bend where big bass live. Let's say I hook a 12 pounder, will 10 pound be able to real it in? I would imainge I would have to be super careful. 

The IGFA blue marlin 12 lb line class (which tests lower than most 10 lb lines) record is almost 400 lbs, and the 8 lb one is well over 300.

[Steveo-1969]

20 hours ago, jasondaily said:

I'm not actively fishing big bass, if I catch one that would be amazing and by sheer luck.. but seeing how I fish Toledo bend where big bass live. Let's say I hook a 12 pounder, will 10 pound be able to real it in? I would imainge I would have to be super careful. 

There's no reason to be worried about hooking a 12-pounder with 10# line, especially if you are in open water without any cover around to interfere. BUT you need to have your drag set correctly and learn how to properly fight the fish. If you are just going to "real" [sic] it in, then your line and your heart are probably going to break.

[Tim Kelly]

I would be worried if I hooked a 12 pounder even if I had 100lb line! ?

 

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[islandbass]

On 8/22/2018 at 10:32 AM, jasondaily said:

I'm not actively fishing big bass, if I catch one that would be amazing and by sheer luck.. but seeing how I fish Toledo bend where big bass live. Let's say I hook a 12 pounder, will 10 pound be able to real it in? I would imainge I would have to be super careful. 

Certainly. You could even bring it in with 2# if there were no cover. All you need are a rod rated for the line weight and a reel with a decent drag. If you have the skill, you can pay that bill of battling a 14# bass on 2# line, but it would seem uncool and unsportsmanlike to intentionally drag a fish through that kind of battle.