St Croix ScII rods vs SCIII rods

[J.Bass]

20 hours ago, jimf said:

I own two Mojo's, one of which is made with the scII blank and one made with the III.   It's a little hard to compare because they are completely different tapers, but I personally think the current Mojo is a jump worthy of the price.   It's the same modulus as used in the pricier Avid.  

 

When you say you fished the Mojo's and weren't overly impressed, which blank?   

 

Other options?  Sure, no doubt about it.   But for me, and this is purely personal, St. Croix has won me over.  My entire lineup is essentially St. Croix, from the Panfish ultralight to the Tournament Legend Bass I just bought today.  If you decide to go with the Mojo, I don't think you will regret it.

 

^^This says it all. You can't go wrong with St. Croix. I also have the panfish rod, mojo bass, avid, and Legend Xtreme. I know the new Mojo Bass are designed with avid components. The rod is definitely upgraded from older model. Though, both the older model and newer model are still great rods to own. If you feel you weren't "satisfied" any Mojo Bass, which I don't know how you couldn't be satisfied... You could upgrade to a higher end St. Croix rod. This wouldn't allow you to be unsatisfied (amazing rods).

6 hours ago, jimf said:

I just assumed the warranty was a no-fault thing, in other words they will honor it no matter how it happens.  I have only once cashed in on a warranty - my wife slammed the truck door on a $600 R.L.Winston fly rod and broke the tip.  Accidentally, I think.   Sent it in with I think $50, and a couple of weeks later got it back no problem.   

 

I just now read the St. Croix and it clearly says manufacturer defects.  Oh well, I'll bet if you sent it in they would either honor it, or fix it for a reasonable fee.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

St. Croix has fixed my rods. My Legend Xtreme has a "limited lifetime warranty." Meaning if I give the rod to someone else my warranty ends, otherwise my warranty is as good as I live. That's the benefit of owning a St. Croix rod. The warranty pays for itself.

[singlecoil]

I was told by St Croix that there is no difference in material of their blanks between the USA blanks and Mexican blanks.  Same graphite, same resins, same everything. Just fabricated in different locations.  I have 3 Rage rods with SCIII blanks from Mexico and they are all very good sensitive rods that work just fine for me and got great deals on them.  Will I feel more bites on a USA SCIII ?  I seriously doubt it.  

 

[PatrickKnight]

6 hours ago, singlecoil said:

I was told by St Croix that there is no difference in material of their blanks between the USA blanks and Mexican blanks.  Same graphite, same resins, same everything. Just fabricated in different locations.  I have 3 Rage rods with SCIII blanks from Mexico and they are all very good sensitive rods that work just fine for me and got great deals on them.  Will I feel more bites on a USA SCIII ?  I seriously doubt it.  

 

 

Do you think they are charging 70 dollars more for an Avid for no reason? You can build with the same materials but to different standards and come out with a very different product.

[Poolshark]

1 hour ago, PatrickKnight said:

 

Do you think they are charging 70 dollars more for an Avid for no reason? You can build with the same materials but to different standards and come out with a very different product.

 

The wage disparity alone between the average American and the average Mexican worker could cover that gap easily. Now... With that said I don't know what st Croix chooses to pay their Mexican staff.... But I can tell you its dirt cheap compared to our standards. I'll bet by doing what they are doing, like many other corporations in the states, not only could retail that much less... But according to OECD statistics, they are increasing the gross margin of the same product considerably. 

Ultimately it's our decision to support this. Which is why the mojo bass is such a popular series. 

The ACTUAL differences between the mojo and avid are listed on st Croix website. These are the technologies they use in every rod series. A quick look will answer anyone in question.

[lmbfisherman]

Why would St Croix make the Avid the same level as it's lower series?  That makes absolute zero business sense.  If that is the case I will never buy an Avid and nor because of the business ethics would I buy a LTB, Elite or Extreme.  It means they have been misleading you, the consumer.  I highly doubt this claim.

[jimf]

The Avid uses upgraded components, a better finish, and has a better warranty.   Premium cork is expensive, and both the Avid and Avid-X use upgraded cork.  In the case of the Avid, it's a full cork grip which will significantly add to the cost of the rod.  The Avid-X uses micro-guides.  

 

The blanks are the same, but that doesn't mean the rods are the same.   Guides, upgraded cork, wraps .... these things make a difference in the quality of a rod and it's justifiable to charge the customer a few bucks for those.

 

Whether or not it's worth it - that's a personal choice.   But I think to the OP, the fact is that the current line of Mojo's use the same blank that is used on what some consider the entry point of high end stuff.   

[lmbfisherman]

14 minutes ago, jimf said:

The Avid uses upgraded components, a better finish, and has a better warranty.   Premium cork is expensive, and both the Avid and Avid-X use upgraded cork.  In the case of the Avid, it's a full cork grip which will significantly add to the cost of the rod.  The Avid-X uses micro-guides.  

 

The blanks are the same, but that doesn't mean the rods are the same.   Guides, upgraded cork, wraps .... these things make a difference in the quality of a rod and it's justifiable to charge the customer a few bucks for those.

 

Whether or not it's worth it - that's a personal choice.   But I think to the OP, the fact is that the current line of Mojo's use the same blank that is used on what some consider the entry point of high end stuff.   

I agree, stated this in an earlier post.  Not sure if you were directing it at me, but I was responding to singlecoil's post.

[Poolshark]

For the record, I'm not trashing st Croix. My real point to be specific is.......

The differences listed on the website are as follows

guides-The avid uses fugi alconite, the mojo kigan master 

cork- the avid uses select grade, the mojo premium grade and less of it. 

Handle- the avid uses ECS or TCS, the mojo ECS casting and DPS spinning

tapers- they are both technique specific but their own tapers 

 

both rods incorporate IPC tooling and have 2 coats of flex coat finish

one assembled in the US, one assembled in Mexico

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[webertime]

12 minutes ago, Poolshark said:

For the record, I'm not trashing st Croix. My real point to be specific is.......

The differences listed on the website are as follows

guides-The avid uses fugi alconite, the mojo kigan master 

cork- the avid uses select grade, the mojo premium grade and less of it. 

Handle- the avid uses ECS or TCS, the mojo ECS casting and DPS spinning

tapers- they are both technique specific but their own tapers 

 

both rods incorporate IPC tooling and have 2 coats of flex coat finish

one assembled in the US, one assembled in Mexico

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IPC tooling is how the material is wrapped around the mandrel  (and how the mandrel is designed).  That does not mean that they are the same blanks.  A The fact that there are no 7'2" US made SCIII blanks is screaming that they are different from the Mexican ones.  Wouldn't it be cheaper to have the same blanks across different lines?  Why then design one with an extra inch or two?  Grab a 7ft mh fast of each and you will see they are different rods altogether. 

[singlecoil]

Hey fellas, all I'm tying to say is the SC III blank whether it's made in Mexico or the USA is a pretty good starting point for a fishing rod. Fish them both at night and I'm absolutely positive they will both work just fine.

[skno]

Id stick to the avid on up with St. Croix. If you ever want to resell you will see what the better rod is!

[hoosierbass07]

I just picked up my second St. Croix rod but my first made in the U.S.A. rod, the Premier, a seven foot casting rod. I've only used it out in the yard and bank fishing yesterday but I have to say I love the feel of that thing and how it casts. Seeing a sticker/print of "made in USA" is sweet too.  My ohter St. Croix is a Triumph spinning rod which is a great rod too, but not made in the U.S.A.  It's nice having a U.S.A. made rod considering all my other rods are made in China or Mexico.  

[SuckAtPhishing]

On 2/24/2017 at 7:38 AM, dsqui said:

Buy a dobyns fury ull be better off...$109 and backed by lifetime warranty 

 

On a drunken whim decided to buy this rod last week... I am pleasantly surprised i like it better then the scIII mojo the wife picked up for me.... looking at a few Sierras and Champion XP to throw in the arsenal... thanks for the suggestion

[dsqui]

5 hours ago, SuckAtPhishing said:

 

On a drunken whim decided to buy this rod last week... I am pleasantly surprised i like it better then the scIII mojo the wife picked up for me.... looking at a few Sierras and Champion XP to throw in the arsenal... thanks for the suggestion

Gotta love drunk in whims...I only suggested than bc they are what I use and actually switched from "bottom end" st croixs and just feel its a better rod at a better price. They are honestly gonna be hard to beat at that msrp and even there champ series of rods at there msrp 

[SuckAtPhishing]

13 hours ago, dsqui said:

Gotta love drunk in whims...I only suggested than bc they are what I use and actually switched from "bottom end" st croixs and just feel its a better rod at a better price. They are honestly gonna be hard to beat at that msrp and even there champ series of rods at there msrp 

A buddy of mine swears by the champ series and dobyns in general and I can see why... great quality...

[Harry Allen]

I have two 9'surf mojos, ScII and one 10'avid, ScIII. The blanks are completely different and hard to compare. The most obvious contrast is that the Avid 10' ScIII blank is lighter and stiffer. You will not feel balanced with any plugs weighing 1 oz. or less. The first thing that I noticed was a 2 oz. Kastmaster barely loads up the backbone of the rod for casting. ScIII is a fast action material. The plus of this action is superior sensitivity on all subsurface lures. From swimmers to jigs (11/2-3 oz) the fisherman can feel all the little nuisances that help determine depth, structure, and bottom type. Poppers on the surface get a quick snap from the fast rod tip releasing the best action a popper can provide. Which means less work and almost a break for the top water angler.

The 10' Avid is the next level in fishing equipment upgrades. It is an increase in strength and sensitivity. But this is by no means a back bay schoolie fishing rod. Bring this gun to a gun fight.

[J Francho]

I have a ton of Avids (SCIII), and a handful of LTB (SCIV), as well as a custom built SCIV.  None of the Mexican built have ever really turned my screws, but I do have a single Eyecon (SCII) spinning rod that is decent.

[Randy Price]

I have said many times that for the $$ I think the AVID line is the best bang for the buck.

[J Francho]

15 minutes ago, Randy Price said:

I have said many times that for the $$ I think the AVID line is the best bang for the buck.

Agreed!

[Spankey]

I’m as big a SC fanboy as anyone who has posted on this thread. Back years ago I got into the Premier Series Rods. Still use them. People I’ve taken out are using them. Great rods. Their Premier Series Crankbait Rods are the best rods they stopped making. Hands down I love my Avid Rods. I’ve never bought a series above them. Don’t know if I have to or want to. 
 

But the original post is the Bass X or Mojo Rods. I don’t think you will go wrong with either. And after fitting my grandsons up with Bass X Rods (their choice), a 6’8” Med. XF & 6’10” ML XF they chose that over the Mojos, I can see that possible. I personally feel that the Bass X has a better feel. The XF tapers felt the same to me. But only my opinion. I let them choose because they are using them. Without a doubt they are fishing a decent rod for a variety of soft plastics. 
 

But you can touch rods all day long. And feel whatever you are trying to feel for but to me (just my opinion) if you don’t have a reel on there that makes all the difference.