Rod ?

[Brett's_daddy]

What brands of rods tend to fish heavier than their listed maximum lure weight? I know rods are all rated with "guide lines" for lure weight but I know from listening to others that some tend to fish heavier than their rating (i.e.-can easily handle larger baits than listed by their guide lines) while some tend to fish lighter than their ratings and simply weren't made to fish a bait at the top of their supposed weight ratings. If I can get a quick list of each type rod it will help me make a more informed decision for my next rod selection as I want a rod no longer than 7'6" and no more than $110 that can handle top water baits in the 1oz. - 1.5oz. range without being overpowered. Thanks for any information!!!

[fishnkamp]

Well I guess Gary's info was not good enough to pull the trigger.  The problem might be you want a rod that cost $300 + but you want it for $110. The Fury is one of only a few models like that. He spent over 2 years working on that series till he got the high quality blanks just right.  

The only other rod I can think of that might fit your parameters would be a Powell INFERNO 765 SBR CF MH FAST CAST

 MULTIPURPOSE ROD.  http://www.powellco.com/inferno-series-rods/Inferno-Casting-rods/Inferno-765-SBR-CF-MH-Fast-Cast-Multipurpose-Rod.

 

I would not buy it without speaking with Keith, the owner of Powell Rods, first and get his input.  I have spoken to him in the past and he was fantastic to work with.

[Brett's_daddy]

1 hour ago, fishnkamp said:

Well I guess Gary's info was not good enough to pull the trigger.

 

Not yet...lol. I have no doubt that Gary knows his stuff, just doing my due diligence and checking out all rods that are in my price range and not focusing on just one brand so I can make an informed decision!

[WRB]

You question needs to be better defined, what type of top water lures i.e., size and brands?

Tom

[hunterPRO1]

abu garcia rods tend to be a bit on the heavier side, but i actually like that since i mostly fish worms jigs and swimmers, frogs are also common use for me.

[fishnkamp]

Bretts-daddy had a previous topic going  (posted on this board)  about a Dobyns 735C and the following lures. I got him to ask the same question on another board that Gary himself answers rod questions.   Here is a bit of the previous post on here.

 

"The lures I'm talking about throwing are Whopper Plopper 130, MS Mini Slammer, Spro BBZ1 Rat, Savage Gear 6" line thru trout, Jackall Pompadour (this is a 3/4oz. but it "feels" heavier) etc. "

 

Gary's answer was as follows:

 

"When you say not longer than 7'6" it stops all of our SBMT models that we made for large walking baits. Most of the mentioned baits are not big enough to warrant either SBMT models.  But, for most of the baits mentioned I'd use Sierra Series 735C. It's just a tad slower than other 735's . I throw whopper 130 on 736 Champ but not really needed. The SA 735C fits a wide range of baits. All 735's will work but Sierra is best for these baits."

 

Unfortunately another member came in and added their opinion that the 735s were too stiff a rod and he suggested something else.

 Despite other members, who actually own and fished the rods, sharing their identical opinions as Gary, the dissenting  opinion confused the discussion. 

 

I can easily understand gathering all the info you can prior to spending money.  Lots of rod makers offer a rod that will do just about any technique you want to do. The problem with most of them is they cost way too much to fit in the budget.  I am certain I can find a top line St. Croix, G Loomis, Irod, Dobyns,and many more but they may cost upwards of $300.  That is triple the budget.  

 

 

 

 

[Brett's_daddy]

5 hours ago, WRB said:

You question needs to be better defined, what type of top water lures i.e., size and brands?

 

The lures I'm talking about throwing are Whopper Plopper 130, MS Mini Slammer, Spro BBZ1 Rat, Savage Gear 6" line thru trout, Jackall Pompadour (this is a 3/4oz. but it "feels" heavier) etc.

 

[WRB]

I use Irod IRG754F Freds Magic forlures like those ,$150.

Tom

[fishnkamp]

That is a great rod. I own three Irods myself and love them. The Sierra 735C is $160 so both  are outside of the budget.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Lure weight labels tend to be more accurate than power labels like MH etc. 

[Brett's_daddy]

14 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

Lure weight labels tend to be more accurate than power labels like MH etc.

 

What power would you recommend for the above listed top water lures than and what rod makers tend to be more accurate with their power ratings?

[MichiganBass80]

7 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

 

What power would you recommend for the above listed top water lures than and what rod makers tend to be more accurate with their power ratings?

 

 

St Croix Bass X 7'4" Heavy

 

[iabass8]

20 hours ago, fishnkamp said:

 

 

Unfortunately another member came in and added their opinion that the 735s were too stiff a rod and he suggested something else.

 Despite other members, who actually own and fished the rods, sharing their identical opinions as Gary, the dissenting  opinion confused the discussion. 

 

It should have been said that @dam0007likes to fish the lightest possible rod he can get away with and is the only person alive that would consider the 735 a broom stick. He thinks a 1/2oz jig is perfect on a 3 power rod. He's cray cray. 

[iabass8]

10 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

 

What power would you recommend for the above listed top water lures than and what rod makers tend to be more accurate with their power ratings?

You're asking for a rod that will throw those baits but you don't want it to feel like there's a brick on the end of your line. If your intended purpose of the rod is to throw baits that are on the top end of it's recommended range, it's going to feel like that. Anything at 1oz or less, the Fury 735 will be fine. Throwing swimbaits over 1oz in the 1 1/2oz range on the 735 will be doable, but it won't be ideal. The 735 has a lot of backbone(not a "broomstick" like the 6 power dobyns are) and a fairly XF tip(tips gets a hair faster as you move up in series) which is why it is considered more often than not a fantastic frog rod. (which is what most people use this rod for).  you're asking for a weight range that is more often than not thrown on a longer rod. 

 

The st croix bass x 7'4 HF would work better than the 735 Fury for 1oz - 1.5oz sanother sitebaits. The rods are both rated up to 1.5oz but St. Croixs are notorious for fishing heavier than their labeled rating. I.e MH fishes closer to a H. 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

29 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

 

What power would you recommend for the above listed top water lures than and what rod makers tend to be more accurate with their power ratings?

What I was trying to say is power ratings are even more subjective. Look at the lure weight ratings first. Find choices where the weight you cast most falls in the mid range. Ex 1/4-3/4 the sweet spot will be around 1/2oz. Give or take. This might be labeled M or MH. Then consider the cover and fish size. Thick brush or weeds pick the one with the most substantial backbone. In this example it would be the MH. You can't say which brands labels are most accurate because there is no industry standard for any of it. Posts and comments that refer to "true MH" etc are inaccurate. If anything "typical" could be substituted. Post with as much detail as possible what you want to do with a rod and take suggestions, compare and choose. At the end of the day only fishing it will tell the whole story. 

[dam0007]

On 2/19/2017 at 11:45 AM, iabass8 said:

It should have been said that @dam0007likes to fish the lightest possible rod he can get away with and is the only person alive that would consider the 735 a broom stick. He thinks a 1/2oz jig is perfect on a 3 power rod. He's cray cray. 

Lmaoooo not a 1/2 but close 3/16-1/4 on a DX703/733 and 3/8-1/2 on the DX704/744. That's what I closed out 2016 with.  

[Brett's_daddy]

On 2/18/2017 at 6:36 PM, WRB said:

I use Irod IRG754F Freds Magic forlures like those ,$150.

 

How would their iRod Fiber series compare to the Genesis 2? I see they have the exact same model in both series but the Fiber is within my budget at $109.

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Brett's_daddy said:

 

How would their iRod Fiber series compare to the Genesis 2? I see they have the exact same model in both series but the Fiber is within my budget at $109.

Don't know, not familiar with the Irod glass series rods.

Tom

[Brett's_daddy]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Don't know, not familiar with the Irod glass series rods.

Tom

I emailed Matt and he replied back saying that the Fiber and the Genesis 2 use the same blank, it's just the handle and guides that are different. Knowing that what would your opinion of the Fiber irod be now?

[WRB]

22 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

I emailed Matt and he replied back saying that the Fiber and the Genesis 2 use the same blank, it's just the handle and guides that are different. Knowing that what would your opinion of the Fiber irod be now?

Did you ask Matt what you intended to use the rod for? Same blank, it should be OK.

Tom

[Brett's_daddy]

37 minutes ago, WRB said:

Did you ask Matt what you intended to use the rod for? Same blank, it should be OK.

Tom

I did and he said it would be great for those. He said the two rods literally use the same blank and the only thing different is guides and handle.

[WRB]

14 minutes ago, Brett's_daddy said:

I did and he said it would be great for those. He said the two rods literally use the same blank and the only thing different is guides and handle.

You got your answer and found a rod within your budget..win, win!

Good fishing,

Tom