Difference between Cranks and swims please

[NHBull]

Just left a discussion with some old timers and the conversation  came up...

What is the difference  between a crankbait and swim baits rod manufactured by the same company with similar power, weight capability and action.  The example sited were the Loomis E6X crankbait Heavy and the e6x swim baits heavy, both with mod/fast action.......

 

I had no first hand experience so am wondering what everyone thinks

 

is it spring yet?

Al

 

 

[Fishin' Fool]

Most crankbait rods have a "softer" tip or moderate fast action so you don't pull the hooks from the fish. I would say probably most people that fish a soft swimbait like a Keitech would prefer a faster tip (fast or extra fast) for that technique. If you are meaning the 7" swim baits that have the treble hooks then I don't know.

[fishnkamp]

The power and action has to be very different. Probably how far the tip extends. I say that because if you read the lure weights they are very different.  The purpose of the crankbait rod is to be softer in order to slow your reaction down to get the hook up and not react so fast the lure is pulled out of the fish's mouth initially.   The rod has to be softer to absorb the fish's runs. This keeps you from tearing out the small treble hooks. Two out of the three crankbait rods rate for lures  much lighter than the swimbait rod. The 7 foot Heavy  crankbait rod rates for lures that weigh between 1/2 and ***/8 ounces. They only make one E6 Swimbait rod and it is 7'4" rated as a Heavy and calls for 4" to 7" plastic swimbaits weighing between 1/2 and 2 ounce lures.  That rod should feel like a broom stick compared to the crankbait rods. It should be more like an A rig rod than a crankbait rod.

[NHBull]

Yeah, the premis was throwing trebbles For both.

I can see where the difference would be.

One of the older gents thanks it is marketing 

The reference was to the 884c subject 1/2-2

And

847c, 1/2 - ***/8

Both heavy with mod fast

[fishnkamp]

They build rods with such specific tapers and actions today. They do it just because they can and the fishing public will buy them. Many of the soft bodied swimbaits like the Huddlestons have a single built in hook also.

The old timers may have had 3 or 4 fishing rods on their boat. Today's competitive angler may have 30 rods under his deck.  Personally I usually have 12 to 15 onboard.  I have a terrible time when I go on a guides boat. Just to pair down to 3 or 4 rods is difficult. Many times i park my boat near enough that I can easily get to it just in case the day changes and I need to adapt. I always tell my guide it is a 17 1/2 foot long tackle box LOL 

[WRB]

It comes down to defining the difference between a "crankbait and swimbait". With crankbaits ranging from 1/4 to 2 oz and swimbaits from 3" to 12" weighing 1/8 oz to 10 oz,  different types of rods are needed simply to cast and retreive the different lures.

Add to the confusion that no standards exist and marketing rules sales it shouldn't surprise  anyone that the same company markets the same rod blank for 2 different groups of bass anglers.

Tom

[new2BC4bass]

Never mind.

[CTBassin860]

are you talking soft paddle tail swim baits or hard bodied 3oz swim baits? Big difference.Soft your talking 7' MM to 7' MHF with a lure rating of 1/4-1oz and the other your talking 7'4"+ HF with a lure rating of 1/2-2oz+. throw a 3oz swimbait on a 7' MM a few times and see how long that rod lasts.

[NHBull]

14 minutes ago, MassBassin508 said:

are you talking soft paddle tail swim baits or hard bodied 3oz swim baits? Big difference.Soft your talking 7' MM to 7' MHF with a lure rating of 1/4-1oz and the other your talking 7'4"+ HF with a lure rating of 1/2-2oz+. throw a 3oz swimbait on a 7' MM a few times and see how long that rod lasts.

The whole discussion started over the Rat, med size at that.....1.5 oz

[RoLo]

 

Now that you opened this can of worms, I’m going to drop the floodgate:  

 

When I was a youngster, there were only 3 major classes of bass lures: Plugs, Spoons & Spinners.

Oh yeah, there were also Streamers & Flies, but they were fly-rod lures used mainly

for coldwater fish such as trout & salmon. Back then, the word “bait” referred to “live bait”

such as minnows, worms, crickets, hellgrammites, etc. I had no way of knowing that the term “bait”

would suffix every artificial lure I ever fished, namely: crankBAIT, jerkBAIT, spinnerBAIT,

swimBAIT, twitchBAIT, stickBAIT, bladeBAIT, ~ ~ ~. In reality, the suffix “bait” adds nothing

to the lure’s description. Back in the 1950s, the term "plug" referred to any solid lure made of wood,

which was eventually replaced by hard plastic. “Plugs” ran the gamut from the topwater

Arbogast Jitterbug to a deep-diving Bomber and everything in between.

The word ‘plug’ however did not include artificial lures made of metal such as ‘spoons’ & ‘spinners’,

which were separate categories of artificial lures.  Then one day, I believe it was in the late 60s,

I heard Rick Clunn refer to his cedar Poe plug as a "crankbait" (Say What!),

and we all know where it went from there.

 

When the term ‘swimbait’ was coined, it alluded to any lure (hard or soft)

that incorporated two separate actions. For instance, the 'Big EZ' incorporates

the body waggle of a soft-plastic lure with the throbbing of a paddle-tail.

In contrast, a "plug" (billed or lipless) like a Bomber A or Rat-L-Trap offers only one body motion.

Well, the day they coined the word ‘crankbait’, they painted themselves into a corner!

Plugs, spoons, swimbaits and crankbaits are ALL 'cranked baits', but only 'plugs'

are allowed to be referred to as such. It's the age old problem: When you don't think it through,

you end up defending a weak position.     Fish On   

 

Roger

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Without looking my guess is that the swimbait model has a higher lure weight range. Then again labels are just that.