Single or double foot transition Guides?

[Andy007]

Putting together an order for my first attempt at a spiral wrapped rod. The blanks will be 7' MHX mag taper in ML and MH. I will be using 10# braid on the ML and 20# braid max on the MH.

Was planning in a Fuji double foot model LM or MN size 8 for the stripper? One or two transition guides in size 6 and Fuji's model L size 6 for running guides.

Do these transition guides get much to stress put on them?

If strength is needed for the transition should the first running guide also be double footed also?

After reading many posts and looking at photos of rods being built both ways, I'm seeking some advice from you experienced builders and users. 

Just guessing, but on these lighter duty rods I'm over thinking?

 

Thanks and have a good day!

[.ghoti.]

I will likely get slapped for saying this; but I don't think a typical bass rod, MH power and under, needs double foot guides. Single foot guides with locking wraps are more than enough.

 

when you get into heavy power and up, Muskie rods, swimbaits, punching,etc; then double foots might be just what you want.

[Jrob78]

26 minutes ago, .ghoti. said:

I will likely get slapped for saying this; but I don't think a typical bass rod, MH power and under, needs double foot guides. Single foot guides with locking wraps are more than enough.

 

when you get into heavy power and up, Muskie rods, swimbaits, punching,etc; then double foots might be just what you want.

Agree completely.  I will sometimes use a double foot 6 for the stripper guide but it's purely for aesthetics.  

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I use double foot 6 strippers just for aesthetics. But Gotti is right that they aren't required. In a simple spiral there is zero pressure on a transition guide. It's just there to keep the line off the blank. They can be skipped altogether if you choose. Sounds like you're doing more of a revolver wrap.  In that scenario there will be some load on the guides but not enough to require double feet any more than any other rod of similar power. 

[Andy007]

On 1/10/2017 at 6:45 PM, .ghoti. said:

I will likely get slapped for saying this; but I don't think a typical bass rod, MH power and under, needs double foot guides. Single foot guides with locking wraps are more than enough.

when you get into heavy power and up, Muskie rods, swimbaits, punching,etc; then double foots might be just what you want.

On 1/10/2017 at 9:22 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

I use double foot 6 strippers just for aesthetics. But Gotti is right that they aren't required. In a simple spiral there is zero pressure on a transition guide. It's just there to keep the line off the blank. They can be skipped altogether if you choose. Sounds like you're doing more of a revolver wrap.  In that scenario there will be some load on the guides but not enough to require double feet any more than any other rod of similar power. 

Thanks........ that's what I was thinking. I'm going to use a double foot for the stripper which will also be used for my hook keeper, add some running guides and fill in the spiral.  It may be simple or revolver, from what I've read it does'nt much matter.

Thanks again!!

[.ghoti.]

Don't use a guide for a hook keeper. Wrap a real keeper on.

[Dwight Hottle]

14 hours ago, .ghoti. said:

Don't use a guide for a hook keeper. Wrap a real keeper on.

 

Thanks for saying that. 

[Andy007]

16 hours ago, .ghoti. said:

Don't use a guide for a hook keeper. Wrap a real keeper on.

Any particular reason?

For single hooks or a leader snap, I've used the feet part of the guides on a couple rods for  years without troubles. It keeps the hook covered up really nice.

[Big Bait Fishing]

i use a Fuji BLCAG size 5 double foot surf guide as the stripper guide. the one pictured is actually a 5.5 on my St. Croix swimbait rod ..

[spoonplugger1]

The guides we use on our rods are over engineered for the job they do, years ago when we were measuring the actual loads a Med Hvy bass rod subjected the guide train to we were surprised to find the maximum guide load on a Revolver built rod was 1.15 lbs. and most guides on a rod were 0.1 or less lbs. of load. Remember the load is spread over the entire blank and shared by all guides. A single foot #6 ceramic fly guide can hold a 16 lb. downrigger ball indefinitely with little deflection let alone guide failure. The standard bass guides found on a bass rod were installed on a 35 lb. line weight rated rod I've owned 30+ years, the rod has caught tuna, kingfish, tarpon, wahoo, etc. in Florida, and white sturgeon to 10 ft. long in heavy current in the Lower Columbia River in water that took 32 oz. of weight to find bottom using 80 lb. Tuf Line braid main line. Have never had a guide failure. Guides take a load well, but not a shock, they are damaged in transport, storage, dropping on decks, rocks, or concrete, and bashing together and/or tangling on party or charter boats, etc.

[ww2farmer]

I give the guy that builds my rod explicit instructions to use a double footed #6 as the stripper guide, with the next one up a double footed #5, then the rest all the way to the tip single foot #4's on all my casting rods. That's what I like and what works for me, but it's all personal preference.