Super User WRB Posted December 24, 2014 Super User Posted December 24, 2014 Monofilament means single filament. All fishing lines today that are not braided yarn are monofilament line. The term Mono has been used to describe a single filament line manufactured from a polymer known as nylon, so mono is synonymously with single filament nylon line. Copolymer line is also a monofilament or single filament line, the polymers being a mixture or blend of 2 polymers, nylon and another polymer. Fluorocarbon polymer line is another monofilament or single filament line, made from fluorocarbon in lieu of nylon. Hybrid co extruded line is a single filament line, made by extruding fluorocarbon over nylon. Mono = nylon monofilament. Copolymer = 2 blended polymer monofilament line. Fluorocarbon = fluorocarbon monofilament line. Hybrid= co extruded fluorocarbon over nylon core monofilament line. Tom 5 Quote
Super User Raul Posted December 24, 2014 Super User Posted December 24, 2014 Tom, thanks for your efforts but the knuckleheads will continue to make the NYLON/ Mono synonimous until hell freezes over, and over and over again. Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 24, 2014 Author Super User Posted December 24, 2014 Somebody's boredNo, I am frustrated that folks call hybrid line copolymer......I know this is a lost cause. Peace, Merry Chrismas, Happy New Years... Tom Quote
Super User RoLo Posted December 24, 2014 Super User Posted December 24, 2014 No, I am frustrated that folks call hybrid line copolymer...... I know this is a lost cause. Actually Tom, fluorocarbon and nylon are both polymers, and any line containing fluoro & nylon IS a copolymer line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A copolymer line can be a combination of different nylon polymers or a combination of nylon and fluorocarbon. The word hybrid however is more specific, because it tells us that both nylon & fluorocarbon are present. In other words, all 'hybrid' lines are copolymer, but not all 'copolymer' lines are hybrid. My pet peeve is the number of excellent anglers and authors who use the words “Nylon” & “Mono” interchangeably. What Is Mono Line? The term "monofilament" is self-explanatory, it refers to any line comprised of a 'single-filament' (as distinguished from 'braided' line). The most commonly used monofilament materials are Nylon, Fluorocarbon, Bioabsorbable Polymer and Copolymer (which is any combination of the first 3 polymers). There is one caveat however: not all 'copolymer' lines are 'monofilament' lines. A copolymer line with a separate core and sheath is known as a 'cofilament' line. Roger 2 Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 24, 2014 Author Super User Posted December 24, 2014 A hybrid like Yo-Zuri isn't a copolymer it's made by a process known as co extrusion, the polymers are not mixed or blended like a copolymer. The acronym Nylon comes from a joint polymer program between the United States and England, New York-London polymer, NyLon. Since it's development during WWII, Nylon or polyimide has been through several decades of further refinement to enhance it's properties, UV, flame resistance, etc. the fact PI is amorphous allows it to wet and bond to or blend with some semi crystalline polymers like fluorocarbon. The difference for purposes of fishing line between a copolymer and hybrid is blended, 2 polymers mixed together and co extruded; 1 polymer extruded over the other have a core with outer layer. More useless information that only a handful of anglers would care about. Keep in mind when trying to condition your fishing line that FC does not wet or absorb line conditioners as it is not hygroscopic and that includes hybrid with FC, copolymers will absorb line conditioners like Nylon will. Tom Quote
Super User RoLo Posted December 24, 2014 Super User Posted December 24, 2014 A hybrid like Yo-Zuri isn't a copolymer it's made by a process known as co extrusion, the polymers are not mixed or blended like a copolymer. The acronym Nylon comes from a joint polymer program between the United States and England, New York-London polymer, NyLon. Since it's development during WWII, Nylon or polyimide has been through several decades of further refinement to enhance it's properties, UV, flame resistance, etc. the fact PI is amorphous allows it to wet and bond to or blend with some semi crystalline polymers like fluorocarbon. The difference for purposes of fishing line between a copolymer and hybrid is blended, 2 polymers mixed together and co extruded; 1 polymer extruded over the other have a core with outer layer. More useless information that only a handful of anglers would care about. Keep in mind when trying to condition your fishing line that FC does not wet or absorb line conditioners as it is not hygroscopic and that includes hybrid with FC, copolymers will absorb line conditioners like Nylon will. Tom Say What??? (quote) “Fluorocarbon fishing line is made of the fluoropolymer PVDF” (unquote) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_line The scientific name for ‘fluorocarbon’ is “Polyvinylidene fluoride”, written simply as PVDF. The “P” in PVDF ('poly'), underscores the fact that fluorocarbon is a polymer, and any line containing both nylon & fluorocarbon is a 'copolymer' line. That's all she wrote. Roger 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 24, 2014 Author Super User Posted December 24, 2014 Roger do you think the anglers will recognize fluoropolymer in lieu of fluorocarbon line or use PVDF. If we start talking in acronyms like PI, only polymer engineers will understand our topic. When posting on topics I rarely research information, if I don't know the topic from memory wouldn't post it. I am retiring the end of this year after 50 years as a engineer in the aerospace business. Hopefully will spend more time fishing and far less time on this site, debating nonsense like this while my Christmas prime rib dinner is cooking Peace. Tom. 1 Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted December 24, 2014 Super User Posted December 24, 2014 Roger do you think the anglers will recognize fluoropolymer in lieu of fluorocarbon line or use PVDF. If we start talking in acronyms like PI, only polymer engineers will understand our topic. When posting on topics I rarely research information, if I don't know the topic from memory wouldn't post it. I am retiring the end of this year after 50 years as a engineer in the aerospace business. Hopefully will spend more time fishing and far less time on this site, debating nonsense like this while my Christmas prime rib dinner is cooking Peace. Tom. Tom, enjoy that prime rib dinner and have a pleasant evening. Merry Christmas, Hootie Quote
Super User WRB Posted December 24, 2014 Author Super User Posted December 24, 2014 Tom, enjoy that prime rib dinner and have a pleasant evening. Merry Christmas, Hootie Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and your family.Tom Quote
Super User RoLo Posted December 24, 2014 Super User Posted December 24, 2014 I am frustrated that folks call hybrid line copolymer......I know this is a lost cause. You should take solace in the fact that you have no reason for frustration Merry Christmas Roger 1 Quote
Super User deaknh03 Posted December 25, 2014 Super User Posted December 25, 2014 Who cares...Merry Christmas!! 1 Quote
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