Sandiego Jam Knot

[hatrix]

So I have converted to this knot from improved clinch recently after watching my brother cast off a fresh out the box S-Waver 200 and then a little later weedless 68. He claims he tied it fine and he is not new so it was a mystery but his line was all coiled where the knot was.

Do you guys put it through the eye when you tie it? I have seen it shown both ways and checked videos. I have just been goin through the top loop and had no issue even though I have gone through by the eye also. Does it really matter to much how you do it? So far I have had no trouble only going up top.

[Catch and Grease]

I wrap 5 times then go through the bottom loop and then through the top loop. (50lb braid)

I Don't go through the eye BTW

[iabass8]

I go through the eye twice, wrap the knot 3-4 times /w the double strands of line together, go through the top loop, wet knot, pull tight slowly, and cut the 3 tag ends. I believe this is called the "double san diego jam" or "grigsby knot". Best fluoro knot I've used. The only time I go through the eye once, wrap the knot up, come back through the bottom and through the top is /w mono. 

[hatrix]

I don't mean the eye should of been more clear. I was talking about the bottom loop from the eye.

[DTack]

Make your loop, pinch with thumb and finger, wrap 5-7 times depending on diameter, wet line, put through bottom, put through top... cinch down slowly and eventually hard.  Probably my favorite thing about this knot is if I cinch it down and have crossed my loops somehow (nobody's perfect!) it will break when I cinch hard. 

This knot is in my opinion the best I've ever used.

[iabass8]

I think I get what you're asking..when not trying the double, I go through the bottom loop first and then through the top.

[aavery2]

I have used the improved clinch knot for a long time without problem.   I do tie the S.J. knot once in a while, it is a good knot also.

[Jrob78]

I've tied the palomar so long that I have more confidence in a double line knot.  When I tie the SDJ I tie it the way iabass8 does, line doubled and only going through the top loop.  If I tie it with a single line, I go through both loops.

[hatrix]

Ya I have also used palomar for a long time and that is my braid knot. The only problem is that when tying a 8"+ bait with treble hooks and 20#+ line it is not so great any more. It can also dig into itself and weaken the knot. That is not so much a problem with braid but is not something I want to risk no matter how slight it might happen. Those big lure are not so cheap. In some cases are very hard if not d**n near impossible to replace if something happens to it.

[pbizzle]

The San Diego Jam is my favorite knot for any plastic line (fluoro, mono, and copoly). I wrap 6-7 times. 7 for anything that's not too thick and 6 for anything that's pretty thick. I love it. I switched to it from the palomar because I was worried about the line crossing itself on the palomar. I still use it for braid, and sometimes I'll use it for a worm hook or jig. 90% of the time it's the SDJ though. It's as easy to tie as an improved clinch IMO, and seems to be nearly if not as strong as the palomar.

[roadwarrior]

Ya I have also used palomar for a long time and that is my braid knot. The only problem is that when tying a 8"+ bait with treble hooks and 20#+ line it is not so great any more. It can also dig into itself and weaken the knot. That is not so much a problem with braid but is not something I want to risk no matter how slight it might happen. Those big lure are not so cheap. In some cases are very hard if not d**n near impossible to replace if something happens to it.

 

The San Diego Jam is a great knot for braided line, but for big treble hook lures

I prefer the 16-20 (also known as Duncan or Pitzen).

http://www.orlandooutfitters.com/knots/knot.asp?id=12

 

 

 

[SirSnookalot]

So I have converted to this knot from improved clinch recently after watching my brother cast off a fresh out the box S-Waver 200 and then a little later weedless 68. He claims he tied it fine and he is not new so it was a mystery but his line was all coiled where the knot was.

Do you guys put it through the eye when you tie it? I have seen it shown both ways and checked videos. I have just been goin through the top loop and had no issue even though I have gone through by the eye also. Does it really matter to much how you do it? So far I have had no trouble only going up top.

Even the most experienced people tie a bad knot once in a while.  He did not tie the knot correctly !!

 

I don't care what kind of knot is used, if it's a knot suited for the type of line it will hold.  I don't use a SD jam, I have no doubt it's a good one.  I use a double warp improved for my braid, an ordinary clinch for jigs and jig heads and a loopknot for lures and spoons.  My braid is never more than 20# and my leaders 20 and 30#,I've had quite a few fish apx. 40-70# this year.  Same knot set up for my bass fishing except using lighter lines.  Let the drag do the work, that's going to take pressure off the knot.

Do I tie a bad knot sometimes...............hell yes !  I had a alberto come apart a few weeks ago on cast, it happens.

[FSUMF333]

Double Palomar yet to have one fail.

[riverbasser13]

This knot has been great for me and after some practice ties pretty quick, but after the wraps I just pass it through the bottom loop, with super light line like #4 trilene I try to cinch it real slow otherwise I get some weirdness right above my knot

[Mike L]

I use the SDJ for everything except braid, I just have confidence in the palomar for that.

I also tie the double but only for when I'm flipping with floro in very heavy vegetation.

Mike

[hatrix]

Even the most experienced people tie a bad knot once in a while. He did not tie the knot correctly !!

I don't care what kind of knot is used, if it's a knot suited for the type of line it will hold. I don't use a SD jam, I have no doubt it's a good one. I use a double warp improved for my braid, an ordinary clinch for jigs and jig heads and a loopknot for lures and spoons. My braid is never more than 20# and my leaders 20 and 30#,I've had quite a few fish apx. 40-70# this year. Same knot set up for my bass fishing except using lighter lines. Let the drag do the work, that's going to take pressure off the knot.

Do I tie a bad knot sometimes...............hell yes ! I had a alberto come apart a few weeks ago on cast, it happens.

That totally could be that he tied it bad and I told him he did. But it happened again and he was like knot paranoid after the first time. He wanted me to tie for him or check all his knots in fear of casting off a $50 bill. I told him he was a big boy and could handle it.

After all that I looked it up and although rare it seems. I guess people have tied it and it checks good but somehow all of a sudden slips and pulls out.

I am digging on the sdj better any ways. It's new to me and I haven't tied it a million times so I like that.@RW I know a of guy use a palomar even when throwing a giant bait with 30# line. Probably 90% use a sdj or improved clinch though. Palomar will always be my braid knot.

[roadwarrior]

Yeah, I hear ya, I just like playing with different knots! The point I would stress is a knot is not "good enough" unless it is PERFECT.

Tied correctly, all commonly tied knots are probably sufficient for bass fishing.  

[FlipSide]

I suck at this knot. I can't get it right for the life of me

[hatrix]

I suck at this knot. I can't get it right for the life of me

Really? It seems almost impossible to mess up. It always seems to end up fine every time. I tried it with braid just to see and that was the only reason time it gave me trouble.

[FlipSide]

I have no idea why I can't get it. Its the only knot that I cannot tie