Reel Techs .. Anti Reverse Question

[Kevinator1]

Hey guys, if a reel has the anti reverse claw and the anti-reverse bearing, can you take the claw out? It has been making a clicking noise and I have lubed it really well but it still makes noise. Just thought I would take it out. Will it affect anything? 

[gulfcaptain]

I would send it in for repairs instead of taking parts out.  They all have a their reasons for being there and you may end up causing real damage to your reel.

[rippin-lips]

People remove the anti reverse paw in shimano's all the time with no issues.

[Kevinator1]

People remove the anti reverse paw in shimano's all the time with no issues.

Thanks Rippin'....It is a Shimano, i figured its no different than other reels who just use the anti reverse bearing. Did Shimano do this just as a backup in case the bearing failed? Just wondering.

[iabass8]

Thanks Rippin'....It is a Shimano, i figured its no different than other reels who just use the anti reverse bearing. Did Shimano do this just as a backup in case the bearing failed? Just wondering.

Yes. It only serves as a back up. The problem is if your AR bearing does fail, you aren't using the reel anyway until you replace it. I removed every AR pawls in mine. . It make the reel smoother as well . They are notorious for clicking if you put the in wrong or just go bad. Take it out and pitch it in the trash.

[aavery2]

Some JDM version of the Shimano reels (Scorpion) do no have this part installed.  If it is noisy or clicking take it out and get rid of it.

[gulfcaptain]

Wow, now I know why I don't fish Shimano's.  Just my own opionion but I would rather have my gear work as it's intended to with all the pieces that are supposed to go in the reel. If you have to take pieces out to make them smoother just doesn't make sense but it's your equipment.  Sounds like you have fixed the problem, until the bering go's out at the wrong moment and your back up gear isn't there to stop it from becoming a knuckle buster.  Trust me when you loose your anti-reverse everything gos bad quickly especially when it may be the fish of a lifetime.

[rippin-lips]

^^^ I agree about the removing parts bit but let's use Daiwa for example. My zillion has no backup. So if the bearing fails I'm sol regardless. I can't say I've ever heard the being smoother part but I know people remove them all the time. I'm not a big shimano fan as we all know haha

[gulfcaptain]

I've owned 4 shimano's, and have destroyed 2 of them.  Be it they were ocean reels, but they were supposed to be sooo much better then my Newell's.  Destroyed them both in a matter of a year.  Only shimano's I would even consider owning anymore would be the older TLD 10 and 15....nothing new.  New seems to break a lot quicker then the older stuff. I've upgraded to Diawa's Saltist and it's a beast of a reel.  But it does make you think if Diawa doesn't have the gear back up, what does Shimano know about their berings that they put a back up in so if they fail it catches it.....hmmmmmm, I'm thinking cheaper parts for more $$$.

[iabass8]

I've owned 4 shimano's, and have destroyed 2 of them.  Be it they were ocean reels, but they were supposed to be sooo much better then my Newell's.  Destroyed them both in a matter of a year.  Only shimano's I would even consider owning anymore would be the older TLD 10 and 15....nothing new.  New seems to break a lot quicker then the older stuff. I've upgraded to Diawa's Saltist and it's a beast of a reel.  But it does make you think if Diawa doesn't have the gear back up, what does Shimano know about their berings that they put a back up in so if they fail it catches it.....hmmmmmm, I'm thinking cheaper parts for more $$$.

It's a good thing the OP asked about your saltwater history with shimano and daiwa spinning reels or this post would make absolutely no sense. It seems like you've cracked the code on the mysterious AR pawl. Shimano must be using "cheap" AR bearings...Not that it matters since you don't want to look it up yourself and just assume a company that isn't "yours" uses cheap parts, but the purpose of the secondary AR is for salt water use. It's useless for freshwater as it's very unlikely that it will fail in freshwater.

[gulfcaptain]

It's a good thing the OP asked about your saltwater history with shimano and daiwa spinning reels or this post would make absolutely no sense. It seems like you've cracked the code on the mysterious AR pawl. Shimano must be using "cheap" AR bearings...Not that it matters since you don't want to look it up yourself and just assume a company that isn't "yours" uses cheap parts, but the purpose of the secondary AR is for salt water use. It's useless for freshwater as it's very unlikely that it will fail in freshwater.

You're right I was off the topic responding to rippin-lips and my personal experiences with Shimano(sorry don't have any idea where you saw saltwater  spinning reels mentioned) and the discussion about removing parts in a reel that are supposed to be there.  If it's for a back up then there is a reason behind it.  And considering we put more pressure on our tackle if we are using braid and pushing our gear to the limits I wouldn't want to remove anything from the reel.  So if it the gear he has isn' working right my first post was have it cleaned and serviced, not just take that part out you don't need it.  But I will appoligize for getting off topic. 

[iabass8]

You're right I was off the topic responding to rippin-lips and my personal experiences with Shimano(sorry don't have any idea where you saw saltwater spinning reels mentioned) and the discussion about removing parts in a reel that are supposed to be there. If it's for a back up then there is a reason behind it. And considering we put more pressure on our tackle if we are using braid and pushing our gear to the limits I wouldn't want to remove anything from the reel. So if it the gear he has isn' working right my first post was have it cleaned and serviced, not just take that part out you don't need it. But I will appoligize for getting off topic.

Again, the backup is something they install for saltwater use. It had no added benefit for freshwater. It has zero effect in or out. I think it made mine smoother but i am well versed in tuning. He wont notice any added or decreased benefit by leaving it out.

Again,op, if its clicking, throw it in the trash and move on if you don't fish saltwater.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The dog & ratchet is referred to as a redundant AR. It's a nice added feature but is not critical to the reels performance or longevity. Should the AR roller clutch fail completely, I would expect other problems and to see signs of less than regular maintenance especially in fresh water use. It's safe to remove. On the other hand, if the redundant AR is properly adjusted and greased, its presence should be undetectable.