Giving Up On Tungsten

[FlipSide]

Well... That escalated quickly

[Master Bait'r]

Just another person who cannot tell the difference between being upfront/honest and an arse.

I do like how his post said "illegal here in MA" but his profile said Dunedin, FL.

Does it really? That's weird, I'm in MA and actually hated Florida haha... If I ever go back I've been kidnapped, please call for help!

Didn't mean to stir controversy though, I didn't know this was such a contested issue! I figured everybody knew lead was bad! To the guy who thinks the gubbermint is making up lead's toxicity to control us, I invite you to melt some down in your kitchen and report back with your findings! Hahahahaha... Just wow!!!

Also maybe that was too strongly worded for this forum, I don't really know or really care tbh. Feel free to throw me out if you don't like hearing what negative factors you give in to when you make the poorer of two choices like that. Most can't handle being real with themselves anyways, and a wise psychology professor once old me the more truthful a negative observation on something is, the more those it applies to will become defensive of their actions. This makes the responses all the more interesting to me.

So I guess carry on? Throw that lead if those $6 mean the difference between sitting home and going fishing (lol)

As I've said many times, I never intended to insult anyone, just to make them aware of the obviously negative intuitions we give in to- and allow to become a part if us- when we do that. If you do them YOU make it real and attach it to yourself, don't be ticked at me because you decided to be cheap. If you don't want to be associated with those things, make more responsible decisions. Or you could get mad at me for speaking truth, that's constructive too I guess.

Oh and john, if a safer alternative exists, I will ALWAYS use it. Sorry?

Also if you're taking the opinions of a man who calls himself Master Bait'r online seriously enough to get mad, well that's just sad.

[K_Mac]

Like Catt I am not convinced that the small amounts of lead by fishermen added to the environment make a great deal of difference. It may, and when I see real scientific evidence to support it I will quit using it and become an advocate for change.

 

I am also not convinced that aggressive criticism in the guise of honesty is of any value at all. What is your purpose? If you want to make a case against using lead, then do it. If you want to show everyone how much smarter and more righteous you are than the rest of us, then you can expect to be called on it. 

[Catch and Grease]

Not everyone has money just a lying around. If you can afford to not use lead then good for you, I can hardly afford gas money to go fishing everyday and rage craws to catch my fish... Let alone paying more than 2$ a weight.

[Jrob78]

So are you saying I should stop sprinkling lead in my cereal every morning?  Is that bad?

[Master Bait'r]

Like Catt I am not convinced that the small amounts of lead by fishermen added to the environment make a great deal of difference. It may, and when I see real scientific evidence to support it I will quit using it and become an advocate for change.

 

I am also not convinced that aggressive criticism in the guise of honesty is of any value at all. What is your purpose? If you want to make a case against using lead, then do it. If you want to show everyone how much smarter and more righteous you are than the rest of us, then you can expect to be called on it. 

 

 

 

Lol...  I love that response.  It hangs on the assumption that unless someone does a specific study of lead sinkers- which has been proven to be extremely toxic for decades upon decades- in the capacity of them sitting on the bottom of a lake and degrading, it's toxicity should be in question.  By the same logic one could assume that lead in outer space would be rendered safe for consumption since nobody has "proved" it's also deadly in zero gravity.  

 

Do you see what I'm saying?  

 

In full agreement with you- one or even a hundred sinkers spread out along on the bottom of a lake may do nothing of real gravity...  But hundreds of years with hundred or thousands of fishermen doing it every day can add up and that's the point I'm making.  One scrap of litter means nothing too, but you don't see us advocating throwing our trash around because "That little bit doesn't do anything" right?  Look, we owe it to ourselves to be as responsible as possible.  We are as well informed as it gets, I suggest we act like it!  Acting like the future depends solely on everyone else's decisions but ours is no way to go forth responsibly.  

 

A soda can weighs less than many lead sinkers and aluminum is far less toxic but we still have a huge problem with people throwing those in the lake- why the discrepancy?  I don't get it.  It's the same thing, and even worse at that- but the same people who will give a litterer a piece of their mind are yelling at me for voicing my opinions about choosing to use lead when brass and tungsten are superior in every single way.  

 

 

Alas, please have me banned if you think I've crossed any lines here but I think you guys are smarter than that.  

[Master Bait'r]

So are you saying I should stop sprinkling lead in my cereal every morning?  Is that bad?

 

 

 

Another graduate from the Catt Culinary Arts Academy I see 

 

 

I like your style btw!  

[shanksmare]

Masterbait'r, I'm not sure if there is any definitive research that that substantiates your claims about lead. If you don't breath in lead fumes or eat it, I'm not sure if it is all that dangerous a substance.  

 

I believe that small lead sinkers were banned in MA due to an effort spearheaded by the "loonies" (you know, the save the Loon nuts) although they really had no case. It makes a lot of sense to have a statewide ban on lead sinkers because loons, which only inhabit 3 or 4 ponds in the whole state, might eat a lead sinker off the bottom and die. They probably have more of a chance of flying into a power line or windmill and dying, but I don't see anyone trying to ban power lines or windmills. In fact power generating windmills are popping up all over MA with more to come.

 

Perhaps it would also be prudent to destroy all homes in MA that are more than 50 years old. Why? Because most of those homes probably have lead pipes in them as well as lead traps. So all water going through those homes will be subject to lead pollution pass through waste water treatment plants and dumped into rivrers or the ocean.

 

So you have a lot of work ahead of you Masterbait'r. You might need a bigger soap box.

 

PS - If I decide to return to MA in my old age, I won't be discarding my lead sinkers along the way.

[Catch and Grease]

Lead weights have been used for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, we don't have bass with arms and legs yet so I don't see a problem... I see no decline in bass health in all these years.

Or any fish really

[dam0007]

As I've said many times, I never intended to insult anyone, just to make them aware of the obviously negative intuitions we give in to-

 

Just like the Global Warming hoax it snowed so much in CT all caused by how warm it got. SOOOO warm it SNOWED and roads got ICY!!! All winter long at that. LOL Lead has been on this planet since its creation, in the ground, in the water, and probably particles floating around being breathed in by the both of us as I write this at this very moment. Being brought into contact with every person who has ever lived on this planet. Guess what? EVERYONE IS JUST DOING FINE! If you want to buy a Prius and move to San Francisco, be my guest, but you dont have to encourage everyone else to move there and sell there V8s. -- Analogy.. I know this has nothing to do with Global Warming,,, Or does it? because GW is why EPA shut down the last standing lead plant in the country less than a year ago.

[Master Bait'r]

Masterbait'r, I'm not sure if there is any definitive research that that substantiates your claims about lead. If you don't breath in lead fumes or eat it, I'm not sure if it is all that dangerous a substance.  

 

I believe that small lead sinkers were banned in MA due to an effort spearheaded by the "loonies" (you know, the save the Loon nuts) although they really had no case. It makes a lot of sense to have a statewide ban on lead sinkers because loons, which only inhabit 3 or 4 ponds in the whole state, might eat a lead sinker off the bottom and die. They probably have more of a chance of flying into a power line or windmill and dying, but I don't see anyone trying to ban power lines or windmills. In fact power generating windmills are popping up all over MA with more to come.

 

Perhaps it would also be prudent to destroy all homes in MA that are more than 50 years old. Why? Because most of those homes probably have lead pipes in them as well as lead traps. So all water going through those homes will be subject to lead pollution pass through waste water treatment plants and dumped into rivrers or the ocean.

 

So you have a lot of work ahead of you Masterbait'r. You might need a bigger soap box.

 

PS - If I decide to return to MA in my old age, I won't be discarding my lead sinkers along the way.

 

 

Well I can appreciate your critical thinking in any case, I just wish it was in an attempt to be a more responsible steward of the places you loved.  You're clearly a smart guy, why try so hard to fight against the very simple things we know about lead?  If you know it's toxic as a gas and as a solid and when inhaled and ingested, why would you try to imagine a circumstance that *might* render it harmless when there is way more evidence that I feel would have the scales lean the other way?  I always want to act on the side of caution when I can.  We won't get a chance to take it back if we were wrong and that's enough for me personally.    

 

I will agree wholeheartedly that democrats are obnoxious and make me want to scream and pull my hair out, however I do think that being proactive about what we put into the water is a good thing...  Even if whiny idiots I hate giving any credit to made it happen.      

[einscodek]

I use tungsten only where there is a size constraint where I need to pack alot more weight into a comparable area.. such as in weight inserts in balancing my rods

Otherwise for weight in general it lead or steel

[*Hootie]

I don't know if this even fits with what this has turned into, but I saw a young man wearing a tee shirt yesterday that read,

"I am not going to tiptoe through life, just so I can arrive safely at deaths door".

Hootie

[Master Bait'r]

 Lead has been on this planet since its creation, in the ground, in the water, and probably particles floating around being breathed in by the both of us as I write this at this very moment.

 

 

 

Bahaha...  I just can't.  It's not fair to make fun of special people.

[Catch and Grease]

Bahaha... I just can't. It's not fair to make fun of special people.

What are you laughing about? Is what he said not true??? Oh then I guess we shouldn't worry about lead after all, because there isn't any around us

[*Hootie]

Mods, HELP! This topic has gone nuts and brought out the Wikipedia copy/paste professor. I started it and I won't be offended if you choose to kill it....PLEASE!

Hootie

[K_Mac]

MB you make an argument based on what you believe to be true, and fault mine drawing conclusions that are not supportable. I don't believe that the evidence supports your claims that lead from fishermen is a serious threat to the environment. Yes, added to your morning cereal or inhaled while making weights in an improperly vented garage is a problem. And yes, high levels in water are dangerous, but the conclusion that the tiny relative amounts of lead added by fishermen make any real difference is not supportable based on what I have read. The argument, "Lead is a dangerous element and therefore we must take action to protect ourselves from it being used in fishing weights" is a classic knee-jerk reaction. I am all in favor of protecting the environment and believe we all are responsible for doing so. Using emotion and half-baked scientific "facts" is a very popular tactic used by those how would protect us from all dangers real and imagined. 

 

Now I am off to throw some aluminum cans in the local pond...

[F14A-B]

Bahaha... I just can't. It's not fair to make fun of special people.

That's all He has Done, Ridulcule and Hijacked this thread, making BS claims without proof, He can't add/ subtract or Divide.... He says he insist on being banned multiple times? Personally I could care less about you're politics, this thread was started by Hootie on the Basic Economics of Tungsten And... Alternatives... How does Personal attacks on Well meaning Folks fit into that? Eg.. Ban you're self.... It's easy just delete you're account! Bingo!

[Master Bait'r]

What are you laughing about? Is what he said not true??? Oh then I guess we shouldn't worry about lead after all, because there isn't any around us

By assuming that "since it came from the earth it's harmless" you could also throw your used oil in a river after you change it in your car... It's just hilarious that people actually do the mental gymnastics to make things like that make sense in their mind.

[Catch and Grease]

Eric Clapton - Good Night Irene:

[*Hootie]

By assuming that "since it came from the earth it's harmless" you could also throw your used oil in a river after you change it in your car... It's just hilarious that people actually do the mental gymnastics to make things like that make sense in their mind.

Why must you be so rude, arrogant and

condescending. Most people on here can disagree without all the insults. Take a nap....PLEASE.

Hootie

[Master Bait'r]

MB you make an argument based on what you believe to be true, and fault mine drawing conclusions that are not supportable. I don't believe that the evidence supports your claims that lead from fishermen is a serious threat to the environment. Yes, added to your morning cereal or inhaled while making weights in an improperly vented garage is a problem. And yes, high levels in water are dangerous, but the conclusion that the tiny relative amounts of lead added by fishermen make any real difference is not supportable based on what I have read. The argument, "Lead is a dangerous element and therefore we must take action to protect ourselves from it being used in fishing weights" is a classic knee-jerk reaction. I am all in favor of protecting the environment and believe we all are responsible for doing so. Using emotion and half-baked scientific "facts" is a very popular tactic used by those how would protect us from all dangers real and imagined.

Now I am off to throw some aluminum cans in the local pond...

Heh. Defensiveness is a very telling trait! I never asked to be banned, I said if a mod thinks I've crossed a line I'm ok with facing a punishment for it.

[Master Bait'r]

Why must you be so rude, arrogant and

condescending. Most people on here can disagree without all the insults. Take a nap....PLEASE.

Hootie

There is not one insult in there Hootie. If that honestly insults you I don't know what to say!

[*Hootie]

Good night Irene.

Now, if I can just find that button.

Hootie

[dam0007]

By assuming that "since it came from the earth it's harmless" you could also throw your used oil in a river after you change it in your car... It's just hilarious that people actually do the mental gymnastics to make things like that make sense in their mind.

smh